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Verbatim Friday 14th December, 2018

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF SEYCHELLES

Friday 14th December, 2018

The Assembly met at 9am

National Anthem

Moment of Reflection

Mr Speaker in the Chair

 

MR SPEAKER

Bonzour tou Manm Onorab.  Bonzour tou dimoun ki a lekout e pe swiv travay Lasanble Nasyonal.  Mon zis anvi enform tou Manm e osi bann manm piblik, ki nou bi se fini travay Lasanble Lendi 17 Desanm.  E nou espere ki nou kapab fer sa par midi Lendi.

Nou annan en pe travay ki nou pou fer ozordi parey mon’n anonse yer nou pou travay ziska pli tar midi ozordi.  Akoz ozordi nou annan meeting avek sa group OECD ki pou rankontre bann  Manm Lasanble apre midi.

Nou osi – parey mon’n dir Lendi, Lendi nou pou zwenn avek en bi pou nou kapab fini akoz i annan serten sanzman ki bomaten nou’n bezwen fer lo Order Paper.  

E an vi sa nou pou al direkteman lo Order Paper ki’n ganny amande ankor enn fwa pou enkli 2 Mosyon.

Mon pou servi Standing Order 95 zis pou nou kapab sanz lord travay lo Order Paper.  Dan plas ki nou kontinyen avek Bill SIS kot nou ti’n kite yer nou pou pran sa 2 Mosyon avan.  E apre nou ava kontiny nou travay.  Sa pou permet lezot travay ki biro Attorney Zeneral i bezwen fer pou nou kapab ganny sa Bill Siplemanter ki ava vin dan Lasanble pli tar.  Yes Onorab Ramkalawan.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Mersi Mr Speaker.  Bonzour Mr Speaker.  Bonzour tou Manm e tou dimoun ki a lekout.

Mr Speaker zis pou mon raporte konman Chairperson FPAC ki yer pandan 3:30, nou ti zwenn avek Minister Finans pou nou koz lo serten sonm larzan ki ti’n ganny frozen dan Bidze 2018 pou diferan antite.

E pandan sa meeting e zot ti pe demande ki pa son sonm total ki ganny unfrozen.  Me ti annan serten sonm tel ki parey pou Departman Zidisyer i ti annan pou sekirite e avek pou zot aste serten transpor.

Ti annan pou prizon.  Ti osi annan en de lezot Departman.  E apre ki nou’n delibere nou pou’n vwar ki pou dir i toutafe apropriye pou unfreeze sa bann amounts, parski zot in vin devan nou avek bann detay.

E alor parey nou fer sipoze anmenn li devan Lasanble parske Lasanble ki tir freeze sa bann amounts, zis pou en senp lakor ki Lasanble i tonm dakor pou unfreeze R26.5milyon pou ki la avan lannen fini zot ava kapab fer sa bann travay ki neseser.  Alors …

 

MR SPEAKER

Petet zis kan ki zot le fer sa? Eski nou fer sa Lendi?

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Ordinerman i vin konman en rapor.  I vin koman en rapor e ki Lasanble i tonm dakor lo la then the amount i unfrozen.  Not as a – i pa bezwen vin koman en Mosyon as such.  Zis konman tel rapor e …

 

MR SPEAKER

Nou kapab fer li apre ki nou’n pran SIS ozordi ki nou pe sey aim ki parti 10:30 nou a fini avek ler nou rantre nou annan sa lot siplemanter.  Ou kapab move sa avan pou pran sa 2 siplemanter, or Lendi.  Me selman si oule fer ozordi – i posib.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Ok Mr Speaker, mon remersye ou pou ou direksyon.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok, yes mersi.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Nou fer li nou fini enn fwa .

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi. Yes Onorab Pillay.

 

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY

Mersi Mr Speaker.  Mr Speaker dan laliny ki Chairman FPAC i koz lo la, sa bann detay ki nou’n gannyen in osi annan nouvo depans pou Lapolis ki nou  a rapel ti lev sa size lo zot bann radyo eksetera.

E mon krwar vi ki nou annan en Lagreman lo tou lede kote latab, nou kapab zis move … en rezolisyon ki Lasanble i resolve ki Finans i – (i annan ankor detay?) Me si nou pou esper nou bezwen esper taler.

 

MR SPEAKER

Wi si sa ki mon pe dir si 11er ler ou rantre nou a kapab fer pran sa rezolisyon.  Ok?

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Zis mon ti pe donn ou notis.

 

MR SPEAKER

Yes mersi Onorab Ramkalawan.  Bon nou ava parey mon’n dir, mon pou servi Standing Order 95 pou nou sanz lord pou nou Order Paper bomaten, pou permet Onorab De Commarmond – Leader Government Business pou li soumet son 2 Mosyon.  Ou ava pran sa premye Mosyon ou bezwen sa enn premye avan pou ou kapab reprezant ou 2enm.  Onorab De Commarmond

 

HON CHARLES DE COMMARMOND

Thank you Mr Speaker.   Bonzour Mr Speaker.  Bonzour tou Manm Onorab isi prezan e tou dimoun ki a lekout.

Mr Speaker under Order37 (2) lo Standing Order  I move that the National Assembly resolve to rescind its decision taken on the 11th December 2018 to vote against the Motion to approve the Supplementary Estimates.  

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok mersi Onorab De Commarmond. Okenn Manm ki segonde?  Yes Onorab Simon Gill.

 

HON SIMON GILL

Bonzour Mr Speaker.  Bonzour tou koleg Onorab tou manm piblik. Mosyon segonde Mr Speaker.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi.  Si napa okenn deba lo la mon krwar ou konnen akoz mon osi mon’n ganny serten konsey avek Attorney Zeneral. E i straight forward.  Nou ava pran en vot lo sa Mosyon ki Onorab De Commarmond i ava kapab reprezant son 2enM Mosyon.  Ok?

        Si napa okenn komanter?  Yes Onorab.  Oule fer komanter lo sa Mosyon la?  Non.  Nou pran en vot Onorab De Commarmond mover Motion.  Ok?  

 

HON CHARLES DE COMMARMOND

Wi Mr Speaker.  Mon krwar mon dan lespri nou diskisyon nou pa merit – nou pa pou debat lo sa Mosyon.  Mon krwar ou’n donn direktiv.  Ou’n ganny soz Attorney Zeneral.  Nou vot lo sa Mosyon pou nou bouze.   Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab De Commarmond.  Bon nou ava demann tou Manm ki an faver pou premye Mosyon? Okenn Manm ki kont?  Madanm Deputy Clerk.

 

MADAM DEPUTY CLERK

Mersi Mr Chair. Bonzour tou dimoun, mon’n rikord 13 Manm ki’n vot an faver e zero kont.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Madam Deputy Clerk.  Savedir Mosyon in ganny aprouve par Lasanble.

E nou a move lo 2enm Mosyon, nou ava ankor demann Onorab De Commarmond pou prezant son 2enm Mosyon.  Onorab.

 

HON CHARLES DE COMMARMOND

Thank you Mr Speaker.  Mon 2enm Mosyon i lir koumsa;

That National Assembly resolves to approve the Supplementary estimates of R87,339,731.83  laid before the National Assembly in accordance with Article 154 (6)of the Constitution read with Article 154(7).  Thank you Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab De Commarmond.  Okenn Manm ki segonde?  Onorab Simon Gill.

 

HON SIMON GILL

Mr Speaker Mosyon i ganny segonde parey in ganny reprezante.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi.  Bon ankor yer an diskisyon avek Leader Government Business, nou’n dir in fini fer son prezantasyon Mardi e nou ti agree ki napa deba lo Mosyon, nou pou pran deba ler Minister Finans i vini pou prezant sa Bill.   Sa Bill pou ganny gazetted ozordi si Mosyon i ganny aprouve la.  E Lendi nou pou tackle sa Bill, ok. Si zot dakor?

 

HON CHARLES DE COMMARMOND

Wi Mr Speaker nou dakor dan sa direksyon.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab De Commarmond.  Bon ou ava pran en vot lo 2enm Mosyon.  In fini ganny segonde Onorab Simon Gill.

Ok tou Manm ki an faver lo 2enm Mosyon pou sa Supplementary estimate? Okenn Manm ki kont?  Madanm Deputy Clerk.

 

MADAM DEPUTY CLERK

Mr Chair 14 Manm in vot an faver e personn kont.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Madanm Deputy Clerk.  Savedir Mosyon in ganny aprouve.  Bann prosedir i ava ganny fer e fotespere pandan lazournen nou a kapab ganny sa, sa Bill i a fini ganny gazetted.  

        Bon avek sa mon ava demann Parliamentary Reporter pou apel Minis Adam avek son delegasyon pou nou kapab kontinyen avek nou travay.  Deputy Clerk petet osi technician pou nou project.  

        Bon parey nou ti fer avek Control and Protection of Dogs Bill, an vi ki annan bann amannman sibstansyel e nou anvi track bann amannman Chair of Bills Committee pou fer parey pou project bann travay lo screen.

        Bon mon ti a kontan dir bonzour Minis Jean-Paul Adam ki pe ganny asiste par Komisyoner Lapolis e reprezantan Departman Legal Biro Prokirer Zeneral – Mr Victor Pool e Personal Assistant to the Minister Mr Marty Vidot.

Bonzour en ankor enn fwa welcome dan Lasanble Nasyonal.  Bon yer nou ti’n termin kot Minis ti’n donn son Reply lo bann deba lo komanter e nou ti’n pran osi en vot lo merit e prensip zeneral Bill.  Nou ti’n osi fer Formal Second Reading.  An vi bann lamannman ki nou annan and all that, nou pou al dan Staz Komite pou nou kapab deal ek sa bann, amannman before we dispose of the Bill.  

        Mon ava demann Sergeant pou move Mace.   E mon ava pas laparol avek Chair Bills Committee Onorab Bernard Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chairman.  Bonzour Minis, bonzour Komisyoner Lapolis, Mr Pool bann koleg Onorab – bann dimoun ki pe ekout nou dan lakour.

Mr Chairman parey in ganny dir a plizyer repriz yer, sa travay ki nou pe al fer bomaten i en rezilta travay konzwent ki Bills Committee avek Gouvernman ti fer, dan prezans de Leaders dan nou Lasanble e dan prezans ou menm avek ou Deputy Speaker 2 zour pase.

Avan ki – ou plito zis an ka mon bliye, mon pou demann Lasanble bomaten parey nou fer ordinerman dan sa bann long Bills, pou donn lotorizasyon Bills Committee ansanm avek Biro Attorney Zeneral pou apre ki nou’n travay, ler nou vin lo son final proofing si i annan pti consequential amendments pou fer ki Lasanble i donn nou lotorizasyon fer sa.  Akoz bomaten nou’n vwar ki i annan detrwa marginal notes par egzanp ki nou pou bezwen revwar e i annan enn de lamannman ki – lamannman consequential avek bann lamannman ki nou pe al fer ozordi.

Par egzanp dan arrangement of sections ki lo screen ozordi, nou pa ankor re aranz sa bann Seksyon an fonksyon bann amannman ki’n’ ganny aport-e dan son akt li menm.

Se pa bann amannman sibstansyel se bann amannman ‘‘tipografi’’ avek ‘’style.’’  Alor zis an ka mon bliye demann Lasanble a lafen sa travay bomaten mon pe met sa devan Lasanble la pou o kou depar.

Par egzanp Mr Chair, lo zot screen devan zot, i pa aparet, me lo screen dan Lasanble i annan 2 morso ‘kot mon’n highlight; enn se limero sa Bill li menm ki pou bezwen ganny inserted.

        E dezyenmman se sa premye keksoz – part 2.  Dan sa part 2 ki lo nou screen i pou vin part 3 akoz parey zot pou vwar taler dan son text Bill li menm nou’n azout en part 2.

Alor Mr Chair nou al lo son text li menm.  E mon pe regard son long title ankor enn fwa lo zot screen i pa aparet. Me lo bord i annan en lamannman ekstra.

Mon pe ganny en komann ok.  Etandonnen parey in ganny dir yer ki sa travay ki nou’n fer –

(technical problem)

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Fotespere pa bann dimoun dan semiz karo ki pe fer sa avek nou)  pou bann dimoun dan lakour nou annan en pti problenm koneksyon internet lo nou computer.  

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Georges nou pa pou kapab kontinyen.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mon kapab Mr Chair avek ou permisyon.

 

MR SPEAKER

Yes.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Ok si zot regard long title devan zot, zot ava vwar ki i annan en amannman an ble pal.  E dan long title akoz dan son text taler pou annan en propozisyon pou entrodwir en nouvo Konsey ki pou ganny apel National Intelligence Council, me posibleman National Security Council selon propozisyon ki’n ganny fer yer i repons Minis dan sa direksyon, nou’n trouv li bon pou azout li dan son long title.   E taler ler nou a vin lo la, nou ava deside si pou apel li National Intelligence Council oubyen National Security Council e nou ava fer en lamannman consequential si i neseser dan long title.

        2enm lamannman ki zot pa pou vwar, i pa lo zot kopi, set enn ki mwan mon pe propoze personnelman – i pa sorti l Bills Committee sa e set en keksoz ki mon ti pe regarde yer pandan deba.

Ozordi long title i lir; ‘’An act to provide for the establishment of the National Intelligence Council and the Seychelles Intelligence Service, in order to preserve National Security.’’

        Mwan mon pe propoze ki nou azout ‘’in  order to cordinate intelligence and preserve National Security.’’  

        Mon i en propozisyon ki mon pe fer akoz mannyer mon’n vwar deba yer sa 2 – sa Konsey ek sa Lazans i pou annan 2 fonksyon.  Enn se anmas lentelizans e kordin li dan en fason parmi bann Lazans.  E dezyenmman avek i prezerv Sekirite Nasyonal.  Donk mon pe met sa propozisyon la devan.

 

MR SPEAKER

Yes Onorab Pillay.

 

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY

Mersi. Mr Chair mon dakor ek sa propozisyon.  Me selman m ti pe zis regarde the title of the Bill li menm anler i the Seychelles Intelligence Service Bill..

        Mon ti pe mazinen nou pa kapab met tou lede anler dan sa tit? Vi ki dan long title nou pe koz lo akoz nou pe efektivman etablir the Council as well.

        Mon dakor ek sa propozisyon ki la mon, mon pe zis mazinen si nou pa kapab anler nou dan son tit menm?  Ou pa vwar rezon?

 

MR SPEAKER

Eski nou bezwen oubyen …?

 

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY

Si nou bezwen oubyen nou pa bezwen?  Sa ki mon ti le konnen.

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mon’n i en pwen Mr Chair mersi ki mon’n reflesir lo la.  Basically the thrust of the Bill se pou en National Intelligence Service; set en Seychelles Intelligence Service.  

The National Intelligence Council i vin konman en keksoz adisyonnel.  E i – personnelman – although mon konpran propozisyon Onorab Pillay, personnelman i pou vin long tit si nou pou dir ‘’Seychelles National Security Council and or rather National Intelligence Council and Seychelles Intelligence Service Bill.’’  

        Sa se mon en – purely, purely ‘’style’’ i pa en keksoz ki grab mwan.

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Basil Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Mr Chair mon pou agree ek sa ki Onorab Georges in dir, akoz mon krwar lesansyel sa Bill se pou kreasyon sa Intelligence Service.  E sa ki sa objective of the Bill is all about.

        Apre obviously i annan bann lezot keksoz ki arive; par egzanp Onorab Georges in dir sa Intelligence Council li i pou en additional.  I zis la as an assignee in a way to oversee sa louvraz ki pe ganny fer, par the Intelligence Service.  

E se menm pou sa rezon ki mon krwar poudir menm in the wrong title referans avek National Intelligence Council should not be  there.  It should just state by the act ‘’…to provide for the establishment of the Seychelles Intelligence Service.’’  Mon pou sizer sa tou.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Hoareau.   Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Yes Mr Chair.  Lasanble i ava gid nou.  I en propozisyon ki mon respekte e mon krwar ki pou bann rezon ki mon fek dir i valab.  Eski nou retir referans avek National Intelligence Council dan long title?  Si zot donn nou 2 minit nou ava kapab met li lo bord.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok.  

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Eskiz mwan Mr Chair nou’n perdi nou laptop.   Bann profesyonnel IT dan Lasanble i bezwen fer en pti travay lo laptop.  akoz zis pou dimoun konpran laptop pa pe dekouver bann projector ki project li lo screen.  

 

MR SPEAKER

Mon pa konnen petet eski petet pou Deputy Speaker ou pe kapab   avek sa konneksyon?  Sa remote connection?  Non? Ok  i posib.  Alright.  

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mon ganny dir i pa pou tarde Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok good.  Me antretan mon ti a kontan eskiz Mr Victor Pool parmi nou.   E welcome Attorney Zeneral Mr Frank Ally parmi nou.   Mr Ally bonzour e welcome.

        Onorab Georges eski nou kapab kontinyen petet lo dokiman ki devan nou?  Mon annan en kopi sa Bill as amended.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Wi mon’n annan en track version Mr Chair devan mwan.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok nou mon krwar tou Manm in ganny forwarded soft copy e zot kapab sa ki napa si zot le rod en hard copy, me zot tou zot annan akse avek the track version.  

        Bon annou regard sa propozisyon ki Onorab Basil Hoareau in fer.  Onorab Georges?  Chair.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Yes propozisyon Onorab propozisyon Onorab Basil Hoareau, se pou nou retir ‘’National Intelligence Council’’ and ‘’the’’ dan long title e pou retourn li dan son versyon orizinal ki pou dir ‘’An act to provide for this establishment of the Seychelles Intelligence Service in order to ..’’ e si mon propozisyon lamannman i ganny aksepte – ‘’coordinate’’ eksetera ‘’and preserve national security.’’  ‘’coordinate intelligence and preserve National Security.’’  

E natirelman i annan en pti consequential amendment ki pou bezwen fer olye ‘’their’’ prezan nou pou retourn lo ‘’its’’ akoz i pou annan zis en Lazans e non pa de ki nou pe kree. E ‘’service’’ – capital ‘’S’’ – tipografi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Basil Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Mon segonn sa proposal pou sa amannman ki’n fer par Onorab Georges.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok.  Mersi.  Nou ava kontinyen.   Eski nou kontinyen apre nou ava pran vot lo tou amannman.  Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi M Chair.  2enm lamannman i lo Clause 2 interpretation Clause sa Bill.  E la letan donnen ki nou pe kree sa Konsey nou’n bezwen ou’n trouv bon pou defini sa Konsey.

E donk nou’n met en lenterpretasyon ‘’Council means’’ akoz pli tar olye apel li avek son non plen nou pou apel li zis ‘’ Council.’’  

        ‘’Council means the National Intelligence Council established under section 3 of this act. ‘’

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Georges i pa sa moman pou konsider the name ‘’ security or …’’

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mo ti ava prefere fer li taler ler nou regard li i dan Clause 3.

 

MR SPEAKER

Me apre nou ….

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Apre nou a fer bann pti lamannman si i neseser.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok pa problenm. Onorab Ramkalawan.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Mr Chair I mean mon konnen poudir i annan Lagreman lo pou tir sa mo  ‘’intelligence’’ pou apel li National Security Council.  

        So lefe ki i deza annan sa Lagreman, si Minis i fer sa prononsman, then nou kapab fer li enn fwa e nou a konnen pou dir this is done.  Thank you. 

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Ramkalawan.  Minister.  

 

MINISTER JEAN-PAUL ADAM

Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.  E bonzour tou bann Manm Onorab e avek bann dimoun ki e swiv nou deba.  Nou an Lagreman avek sa konpozisyon.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Minis.   Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chairman.  Mr Chairman apre i annan enn de pti lamannman pa tre enportan dan definisyon security vetting investigation kot olye his and her nou’n met ‘’the persons’’ akoz nou’n krwar ki prensip drafting ki nou pe sey retenir se ki pou li vin gender neutral nou servi ‘’his and her’’.  Me nou servi li selman dan bann ka kot nu pa kapab ranplas sa term ‘’his and her’’ par en lot term.

So ler nou kapab repet the person or the President or the Ministers, nou fer li.  E ler vreman i pou afekte son striktir se la ki nou met ‘’his and her.’’  Donk sa lamannman se sa lesplikasyon pou li.

Ankor enn fwa dan sensitive information i en lamannman stylistic osi dan definisyon servis e dan definisyon ‘threat to the security of Seychelles.  

        Sel lamannman konsekan ladan se ki nou’n azoute dan threat to the security of Seychelles an paragraf (c), kot ti annan constitutional, political, industrial, social and economic nou’n azout environmental osi, pou fer kler ki akoz frazilite e lenportans nou lanvironnman isi okenn attempt, akt nou lanvironnman i en threat to sekirite Nasyonal osi tou.

Mon konnen ki lo laptop i annan en lot keksoz e mon ti a kontan retourn lo la Mr Chair avek ou permisyon e sa se lo definisyon ‘’ministerial intelligence.’’  

        In annan deba lo ki mannyer pou apel sa term.  Eski nou pou gard ‘’ministerial intelligence’’ oubyen i annan en term ki en pe pli apropriye.

E pou ledifikasyon bann dimoun ki pe ekout nou ‘’ministerial intelligence,’’   napa naryen pou fer avek lentelizans en Minis.  Me i annan pou fer avek bann lentelizans ki bann Minister i anmase; par egzanp donn en legzanp Customs dan Minister Finans i anmas en serten kantite lentelizans lo tranzaksyon Customs – bann keksoz koumsa.

E propozisyon se pou pa servi sa mo ‘’ministerial intelligence’’   me pou servi en lot mo ki dan konteks plizyer lezot Lalwa dan lemonn, i ganny servi  e sa se ‘’departmental intelligence. ‘’ 

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok okenn Manm ki annan komanter?  Onorab Basil Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Mr Chair mon krwar nenport ki term i kapab ganny servi.  Annefe letan mon get Kenya, Kenya li i pe servi ‘’departmental intelligence.’’  Namibia li in servi ‘’ministerial.’’

        E so me solman i pa plito over sa non me over the definition ki ganny donnen ki enportan.  But the definition dan tou lede i remain the same.

        Se ki bann parey Onorab Georges in dir, se ki bann lentelizans ki pe ganny gathered by lezot Minister ou Departman.   Me selman sa ki enportan se ki i anba en Lalwa.  Savedir i bann lenformasyon ki zot pe kolekte atraver Lalwa ki Lalwa i permet zot pou kolekte basically.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok mersi. Onorab Pillay.

 

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY

Mersi Mr Chair.  Mr Chair mon le zis alert Lasanble lo lefe ki i annan 2 fason  vwar sa.  I annan enn i en fason kot i annan en request for intelligence from en Minister, akoz mannyer zot in met li ladan.

Apre i annan   light lentelizans ki sa Departman ou Minister i bezwen anmase anba son Lalwa pou li.

Par egzanp Imigrasyon i anmas lenformasyon lo bann to bann fro dimoun ki vini.  Customs tou bann lenformasyon Customs, FIU, bann lenformasyon finansyel.

So mon le zis fer sir ki ler nou met ‘’departmental’’ i pa take away from any request for the information ki sa Minister pou bezwen.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab.  AG.

 

ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY

Mersi Mr Chairman.  Mon krwar sa ki Onorab Pillay in dir se ki pou swiv sa ki Onorab Hoareau i dan son definisyon.

Akoz dan son definisyon i pou dir ‘’any Ministry;’’ i pou dir ‘’any Ministry, department, agency or body.’’  Mon krwar partou kot ‘’Ministry, office or agency’’ nou pou ranplas li.  Ti annan en sizesyon pou ranplas li par ‘’entrusted to any Ministry, department, agency or body and which information may be required by that Ministry, department, agency or body in the performance of  any such power.’’ 

Petet pou rezon letan, mon ti  a prefere retourn kot sa pwen ki Onorab Georges ti dir, ki i napa laptop la pou lemoman avek li.  Mon krwar i anba (pardon?)  Mon krwar – non ti a bon nou al dan sa Seksyon in annan serten amannman.  I seksyon ‘’sensitive information. ‘’ Avan kot ‘’security vetting investigation’’ i vin en ‘’a person to determine the’’ sa in fini ganny dir.  ‘’Sensitive Information’’ dan A i pou lir ‘’which is likely to disclose the identification of, or provide details of the source of the information or assistance or operational method available to the service.’’

        Mon krwar sa i ok.  So nou pa bezwen retourn ankor back lo la.  Apre dan servis  -nou a fer bann modifikasyon bann Seksyon sa ler nou revwar ok, e osi bann arrangement of section osi.  Mersi Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi AG.  Onorab Georges nou a kontinyen.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chair.  Annefe sa pwen ‘’ministerial Intelligence’’ mon nou bezwen pran en desizyon lo la.  E rezon ki annan defwa i ganny servi ‘’departmental’’ annan detrwa i ganny servi ‘’ministerial’’ se osi akoz dan serten pei en Minister i toultan apele en Departman.

L’Angleterre pa egzanp pou annan en Minis me toultan i apel son Minister Departman.  E non pa en Minister.  Donk se la kot i annan sa 2 term.        Nou, nou bezwen zis swazir enn.  E s u swazir Departman son plas pou bouze i pa pou la anba ‘’M’’ akoz i alphabetical i pou mont i pou vin anba ‘’D.’’

Me nou bezwen gidans Lasanble lo lekel ki nou le aksepte. E sa ki Attorney Zeneral in dir i vre.  Nou pa ti’n korize me lo mon laptop taler zot ava vwar, nou’n koriz sa fraz ‘’Ministry, Office Agency’’ e nou’n azout li nou’n include ‘’government body.’’  

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Ramkalawan.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Mr Chair mwan personnelman mon ti ava prefer ‘’departmental.’’  Konmsi ‘’departmental’’ I mean zis sa ki Onorab Georges in dir konsernan i pa pe koz lo lentelizans en Minis i petet i en pti lendikasyon.   Tandis ki ‘’departmental’’ konmsi ou konnen ki pou dir la i pou i annan pou fer avek en lofis direkteman.

So mwan mon ti ava dir let’s go for Departmental Intelligence instead of Ministerial Intelligence.  Parski en department ou pou annan en department in a ministry.

        Tandis ou pou napa en ministry in a department. So konmsi mon vwar department vin bokou pli i vin pli larz.   Alors lefe ki i in pli larz i pou kapab enkorpor sa ki sa bann lezot ki so I mean it’s just a question of a word. I think ‘’departmental’’ i sound.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab. Eski i annan konsansis?  Eski i annan konsansis lo sa sanzman?  Yes ok nou move on.  So nou pran nou sanz ‘’ministerial’’ i vin ‘’departmental.’’ Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chair.  E donk nou vin lo a premye lamannman sibstansyel e sa se kreasyon en National Intelligence Council.

        Dan labsans en rapor ekrir – permet mwan Mr Chair pou eksplik avek bann Manm rezondet deryer sa sanzman.  Annefe Minis in koz lo la yer ler i ti pe prezant Bill.  

E sa sete pou met en lot kous – en lot level lendepandans – si nou anvi apel li, oubyen kontrol – ant Prezidan Larepiblik avek sa Servis Lentelizans.  E Gouvernman e Bills Committee in santi li byen, pou kree en nouvo Konsey ki pou apel the National Security Council  – non pa  ‘’Intelligence Council.’’  Ki pou vin sa Konsey ki pou en tredinyon ant sa Servis Lentelizans avek Prezidan Larepiblik.

Dan en fason i sa Security Intelligence Seychelles Intelligence Service ki anmas lentelizans pou raport avek Konsey.  E non pa direkteman avek Prezidan.  E Konsey ava konsey Prezidan lo bann issues of security.  

        Donk lentelizans i vin kot Konsey.  Konsey i transform li dan advise lo sekirite e i prezant sa advise avek Prezidan, Larepiblik.

Me Prezidan Larepiblik li menm i pou asiz lo sa Konsey.  Donk parey zot vwar lo zot laptop, lo zot tablet sa ki e ganny propoze se ki, i annan en konsey ki ganny kree ki pou ganny apele National Security Council, ki pou konpri Prezidan Larepiblik, Attorney Zeneral, Komisyoner Lapolis, Chief of Defence Force avek sa dimoun ki pou ansarz FIU – Financial Intelligence Unit.  

        E mon pause la. akoz nou’n apel li ‘’the head of’’, me kekfwa i annan en meyer fason pou apel li e nou’n prefere les sa avek Lasanble, pou nou regarde ki mannyer nou pou apel li.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mon pa ankor fini mon ava kontinyen apre mon vwar Attorney Zeneral i anvi fer en pwen.

 

MR SPEAKER

Wi Attorney Zeneral.

 

ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY

Mersi Mr Chairman. Ki nou e propoze se ki eof the FIU i pa vin lo sa Konsey.  Akoz bann lentelizans i pou depas en pti pe sa ki FIU i deal avek.

Parkont FIU zot pou tonm anba sa ‘’departmental intelligence.’’  Zot, zot pou ganny sa bann lentelizans parey nenport ki lezot Minister Departman, body i ganny lentelizans.  E apre.  Se ler li i a report to the Council si neseser.  Atraver sa servis.  Plito ki met li lo Council. E nou a plito fer Council mwens dimoun. Mersi Mr Chairman.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi AG.   Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Eski Lasanble i aksepte sa propozisyon Mr Chair?

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Ramkalawan.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Yes Mr Chairman.  Mon krwar poudir i fer sans – given ki poudir the National Intelligence Unit li i zwe en gran rol pou ranmas lenformasyon li osi – i konverti sa dan lentelizans.

So i nou’n dakor ki FIU i ganny tire la dan sa National Security Council.  

 

MR SPEAKER

Eski i annan en konsansis?  Onorab Pillay.

 

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY

Mr Chair vi ki se en propozisyon ki AG in fer baze lo son konpreansyon Lalwa,  mon krwar nou ok avek sa nou.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok, bon i annan en konsansis lo kote Parti Lepep.  Onorab Georges? Ok i annan Lagreman lo la.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chair.  Donk sa Konsey Sekirite Nasyonal pou konpri 4 dimoun, Prezidan, Attorney General, Komisyoner Lapolis avek Sef Defence Force.  

        E nou pe propoze ki sa Konsey i ava rankontre ler i santi li bon, e i ava nou a kapab envit dimoun pou vin devan li pou vin asiz lo sa Konsey nenport moman ki santi li byen.

Prezidan Larepiblik i ava preside lo sa Konsey.  E sa Konsey i ava in sa Principal Advisor pou Prezidan ek Gouvernman lo bann keksoz ki annan pou fer avek sekirite ek lentelizans.

Konsey i ava sa body avek ki Servis Lentelizans ava raporte e sa Konsey i ava determin son prop prosedir lafason ki i pou travay.

En kestyon kekfwa ki nou kapab demande se, sa Direkter Zeneral ki nou pe al regarde en pti kou, ki pou ansarz sa SIS, eski li i pou asiz lo sa Konsey? Repons se non.  I pa vin en manm sa Konsey me se li ki raport avek Konsey akoz se li ki pou ansarz sa Servis Lentelizans.

Alor Mr Chair mon poz la pou regarde si nu annan konsansis Lasanble lo sa propozisyon pou azout sa part 2 e pou kree sa National Security Council avek bann atribi ki mon fek mansyonnen?

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Georges.  Onorab Henrie.

 

HN GERVAIS HENRIE

Mersi Mr Chair.  Mon annan zis en pti kestyon pou demande regarding konpozisyon Council.

The person ki ansarz Sekirite Entern pei – ok pran sa Minis par egzanp ki prizon i tonm anba li, Lapolis i tonm anba li son prezans lo sa Council akoz ki i pa la?  E dan bokou pei zot osi met sa dimoun ki ansarz Foreign Affairs.  Akoz si ou bann threats bokou i sorti aletranze?  Yer nou’n mansyonn Somalie, Iran konmsi akoz mon ti a kontan ganny en pti lesplikasyon akoz ki sa 2 dimoun an partikilye pa lo la.  That’s my only query. Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Henrie.  Onorab Basil Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Mersi Mr Chair.  Mr Chair mon ti annan 2 propozisyon enn miner mon krwar depi nou’n mank the word ‘’and’’ dan sa bann letan nou pe nonm tou sa bann dimoun.  Zis very minor one.

        Apre lot en pti pe plis substantial; letan nou pe koz lo sa subsection 5 of section 3 ki pe ganny propoze, nou servi sa term ‘’matters relating to national security and intelligence.’’  

        Me si nou get dan nou definisyon nou napa definisyon of intelligence, nou napa the definition of intelligence.  Menm nou napa definisyon national security.

        E mwan mon ti pou propoze ki nou bezwen define ‘’intelligence.’’  E ki mon ti pou propoze mon se i pa en keksoz i mon pe envant mwan menm mon pe borrow from Kenya in define what is ‘’intelligence’’ pou zot.

Ki dir ‘’means information which has been collected ,evaluated and analyzed and which is relevant of Governments’ decision making formulation or implementation of policy in relation to any internal or external threat or potential threat to national security, as well  as opportunities relevant to protection and promotion of national security and National Interest.’’ So i  define sa intelligence ki mon krwar we have to define.  Akoz i zis kit li hanging what is intelligence.

        Apre what is national security?  Mon krwar nou devret define nou National security.  E la dan Lalwa Kenya i fer son referans ek  son National security ki mannyer in ganny define dan son Konstitisyon.  Ki mon krwar nou kapab borrow  the definisyon ‘’national security’’ i dir ou; ‘’is a protection against internal and external threats to Seychelles – to Seychelles  territorial integrity and sovereignty, its people their rights, freedoms, property, peace, stability and prosperity and other natural interest.’’

        So mon krwar – i different.  I annan ‘’security intelligence’’ ki ganny define, it’s different  to intelligence.  It’s different.  

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Hoareau.  Onorab Ramkalawan.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Non Mr Speaker konsernan sa ki Onorab Henrie in fer propozisyon.  Mon konpran sa ki i pe dir e petet mon ti ava propoze ki given ki se Vis-Prezidan ki ranplas Prezidan letan i annan okenn overseas mission lemoman ki i ale.

Maybe the Vice-President should also be a member of the Council – parski li ki pou resevwar okenn advise okenn lentelizans from the Intelligence Council dan labsans Prezidan.

Alors petet nou ti ava dir wi ti ava bon pou azout the Vice-President.  E apre sa an relasyon avek bann lezot Minis sa ki – I mean 3 (3) i dir avek ou ‘’the Council may from time to time invites  such  persons as the Council thinks fit to sit on the Council. ‘’

        So mon mazinen ki si i annan en rapor ki zot in gannyen, ki pe montre ki pou dir ou bezwen Minis Lasante, oubyen Minis Lanvironnman oubyen Minis Zafer Entern, then i ganny kriye pou li asiz lo sa Council.  So mon zis anvi dir ek Onorab, ki konmsi i annan sa lespas pou okenn, okenn dimoun vini pou dir be ok la i annan la i annan en keksoz nou a pase.

Me si nou – la ankor en fwa mon krwar i ava lo kote Minis, pou si ou anvi deswit fer – mwan mon krwar ki poudir Vis-Prezidan parey mon’n eksplike i devret lo la.  E apre sa Minister ki responsab pou Internal Affairs maybe.  Pa Foreign Affairs I wouldn’t say Foreign Affairs as a permanent member me Home Affairs parski i a pe oversee the border ki nou’n koz lo la, the Porous Borders ki nou annan.  E apre sa enn de bann lezot landrwa ki annan pou fer direkteman avek; so maybe those 2.  I don’t know.  Ok mon ti ava propoz sa.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok nou ava hear Onorab Pillay ou ti’n lev lanmen.

 

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY

Non Mr Chair mwan mon ti e zis mazinen parey sa Konsey le nou get Komisyoner Lapolis lo son kapasite profesyonnel sa Chief of Defences osi i en profesyonnel.  E prezan ler nou pran Attorney Zeneral osi i la dan son kapasite profesyonnel.

So si nou regard tou sa ban dimoun ki dan sa Konsey zot la dan en kapasite profesyonnel.  Bann Minis i kapab vini ler i annan en petet en kapasite mon krwar en nesesite parey Onorab Ramkalawan in dir.

Me pou enkli zot on the Council mon krwar nou pe  zis repeat the  Cabinet basically so i pa sa lentansyon.  Lentansyon se ki nou annan en body ki build pirman avek national security pei. Mersi Mr Chair.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab.  Onorab Basil Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Letan mon’n ekoute anyway mon dakor ek sa ki Onorab Ramkalawan ek sa ki Onorab Pillay in dir.

I vre ki par egzanp Kenya, Kenya i annan pou Minister Foreign Affairs i asiz lo la.  Me solman mwan mon krwar ki ou pa kapab zis … Akoz i annan desizyon i sa Council pou bezwen pran li!

Me ou pa anvi tilt the balance dan en fason kot i ganny politicize tro bokou sa Council.   Mon krwar poudir nou pa devret met bokou bann post ki pou bann pos politik lo Council.  Nou bezwen kit sa balans ki mannyer sa desizyon i toultan i balanse i pa fer en desizyon politik.  Sa mon pa pou tro an faver ki met bokou Minis lo Council.  Petet Prezidan, Vice-President of the post.  

        Me parey Onorab Ramkalawan in dir zot kapab toultan co-opted to a certain extend, letan as and when necessary.  

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Hoareau.  Onorab De Commarmond.  Apre mon ava donn laparol Minis.

 

HON CHARLES DE COMMARMOND

Mersi Mr Chair.  Mr Chair mwan mon krwar sa Minis Home Affairs oubyen Internal Affairs la, li i bezwen mon krwar i devret lo la.

Akoz sekirite an prensip i dan son lanmen.  Li i pou oversee sekirite pei to a serten extend.

Vis-Prezidan li i pou ranplas Prezidan dan ka Prezidan pa la or i  a ganny brief.  Mon pa krwar Prezidan i devret lo sa Council,  Konsey mwan.

Me selman Minis Internal Affairs or Home Affairs akoz tou bout sekirite pei i tonm dan son lanmen.  Mwan mon panse kekfwa li i devret la.  Amwen Vis-Prezidan i osi zwe sa rol.  Si li ki Minis sa then petet that’s another way of looking at it si ou’n met sa responsabilite dan son lanmen, alor li i ava kapab la.  That’s the opinon.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab.   AG.

 

ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY

Mersi Mr Chairman mon osi mon apresye en pti pe sa ki zot pe dir tou lede kote.

Me selman nou bezwen apresye konmela kot Imigrasyon i osi i en eleman enportan i anba en Minister en Minis diferan ki Home Affairs kot Lapolis, Prizon e lezot.  So petet la nou pou anmenn en pti pe we going to have a crowd – kind of.

So petet to limit it to its minimum osi i enportan.  Prezan si i annan nesesite to co-opt zot a co-opt.  Si i annan en nesesite to report to them – akoz enn sa Komite parey mon krwar Onorab Hoareau in dir i more a less profesyonnel prezan li i a report to the Minister.  Mon konnen pou dir petet i pa pou pran bann desizyon par deryer ledo en Minis ki li i pe ansarz sekirite pei.

Me selman la nou’n vwar poudir i annan bann Minister – bann Departman plito ki en pti pe partaze par Home Affairs.  Parey lontan Imigrasyon Lapolis, Prizon i anba en sel Minister ki nou apel Minister Enteryer oubyen Home Affairs.   Mersi Mr Chairman.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi AG.  Minis oule azout keksoz.

 

MINISTER JEAN-PAUL ADAM

Mersi bokou Mr Speaker e mersi tou bann Manm Onorab ki’n entervenir lo sa pwen.

Mon krwar mon pou sitye mon komanter en pti pe dan deba ki nou’n annan en pti pe apar osi, pou nou osi ganny konsansis.  E letan mon’n konsilte avek Gouvernman dan en fason pli larz.

Mon krwar lentansyon ki petet en pe partaze, se pou nou pa pou nou pa kree en lenstitisyon ki tro lour.

E dan son konteks, mon krwar Onorab Ramkalawan in fer sorti poudir letan ou bezwen anmenn en dimoun neseser ou kapab fer li.  E sa i i petet gard la pos sa Lalwa dan en fason ki fer li fonksyonn fasilman pou Egzekitiv, an menm tan ki ou annan bann rol bann dimoun ki ladan ki klerman defini.

Akoz si ou pran Komisyoner lapolis i lye avek Lalwa avek Konstitisyon; si ou pran Attorney Zeneral osi parey; si ou pran Defence Forces osi li avek Lezislasyon.

Tandis ki bann Minis zot rol byensir osi lye avek bann Lalwa i lye avek Cabinet e zot kapab ganny kriye a nenport ki moman.

Apre an se ki pran konsern Vis-Prezidan mon krwar lo propozisyon, Egzekitiv napa an prensip en lobzeksyon.   Me si zot permet petet zis avan nou fini nou deba zis mon ava rod en konfirmasyon avek Egzekitiv pou nou pran en desizyon final, ki sa i ava an konformite avek lapros ki nou pe pran.   E mon krwar dan son merit i pa en move sizesyon. Mersi Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Minis.  Bon mon a re donn laparol Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chairman.  Donk e kekfwa mon devret dir zis azout  mon pti parol Prezidan i Egzekitiv dan nou pei.   E se ki li enkarn tou son bann Minister.  Fodre nou pa bliye sa e avek tou respe ki nou annan pou Minis Prezidan i apwent en Konsey Minis pou ed li fer travay Egzekitiv.

E donk nou bezwen prezimen ki a nenport ki moman, Prezidan i aware of tou sa ki pe pase dan tou bann Minister.  That’s how the Constitution is structured.

        Alor i donk anglob e i ava annan konesans lot tou sa ki pe arive dan tou son bann Minister a nenport ki moman.

E se pou sa rezon mon vwar ki the more restricted ki sa Konsey, i ete the better.  

        E nou annan osi, e mon krwar en pwen ki’ fek ganny fer a ki tre enportan,  nou annan osi tandans ki si o tan ki nou oule elarzi li nou pe kree en lot Konsey Minis, ki pe azir paralel avek sa enn ki egziste deza.

E nou’n vwar sa dan Gouvernman Tony Blair par egzanp – kot ti annan en kitchen Cabinet and a formal Cabinet e twa kar desizyon ti pe ganny fer an deor Cabinet.  E mon krwar nou pa anvi ki nou ariv a sa sityasyon.

Alor sa pour le moman ziska Minis i retourn ver nou lo size Vis-Prezidan pour le moman Clause 3(2) i lir; ‘’the National Security Council shall comprise President of the Republic, the Attorney General, the Commissioner of police; and the Chief of the Defence Force full stop.(.)  Ok se koumsa ki i lir.  Mon al …

 

MR SPEAKER

Yes Onorab Ramkalawan.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Non zis sa propozisyon ki Onorab Hoareau in met devan konsernan definition – whether we need to define ‘’intelligence’’ avek lot mon krwar ti pou mwan mon ti ava dir it would be good.  Parski the only word that is not defined is ‘’intelligence’’ e yet nou koz kontinyelman lo ‘’intelligence’’.  

        E mon pa konnen si son definition parey Onorab Georges in dir ki, i ava les sa avek zot pou regarde egzakteman ki what’s the wording.  Pandan break zot ava kapab koze e apre nou ava ganny en keksoz so that we can move on, me solman it would be good pou nou annan en definition ki kler.  Mersi bokou.

 

MR SPEAKER

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ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY

Mon ti a plito koz lo sa lot definisyon lekspresyon ki ‘’security of Seychelles’’ nou pa’n servi sa mo ‘’national security’’ me nou plito servi sa mo ‘’national security’’ me nou plito servi ‘’security of Seychelles.’’  

Me parkont nou annan threat to the security of Seychelles.  whether sa i satisfer.  Akoz ‘’threat to the security of Seychelles’’ means any activity – any activity directed any other act of violence any foreign influence activity.  So whether i pa satisfer, rather pou nou re defini ‘’security of Seychelles. ‘’ 

Nou servi plito ‘’threat to security of Seychelles. ‘’ Mersi Mr Chairman. 

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Konmsi ki AG pe propoze – ou pe propoze ki olye dir ‘’the  Council shall be the principal advisor to the President  and  the Government on matters of relating to …’’ ‘’national security’’ tire met to ‘’security of Seychelles ?’’

 

ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY

Non, non.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Non akoz the term use se ‘’national security’’ prezan.  And we have not define what is ‘’national security.’’  

 

ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY

Dan sa Lalwa laplipar nou’n servi plito ‘’security of Seychelles. ‘’ 

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

But it’s not define.

 

ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY

Wi, wi me nou’n koz lo ‘’threat to the security of Seychelles’’ so si nou pou sanze petet nou ti a dwatet sanze pou vin i pou advise Gouvernman.  Mon konnen i preski menm zafer, me solman par servi ‘’to the ‘’national security’’ an intelligence petet relating to ‘’security of Seychelles’’ and intelligence.  Or ‘’security of Seychelles.’’  

Akoz i pou encompass i pou enkli entelizan.   Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi AG.  Onorab Pillay.

 

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY

Mr Chair be why not then si nou pou fer sa, why not ki nou sanz sa ‘’relating to national Security and intelligencee’’ met li ‘’reating to threats to the security of Seychelles’’ ki deza ganny define dan definisyon section.  

        Akoz sa ki Onorab Hoareau pe dir.  Onorab Hoareau pe dir Onorab Hoareau pe dir ou i diferan li.  Akoz nou, nou annan en definisyon for Security Intelligence.  Me nou napa en definisyon for intelligence e nou napa definisyon for national security.  

        Ou, ou e dir definisyon national security parey sa enn dapre zot i parey sa enn threat to the security of Seychelles.  So la mon krwar zot tou lede Onorab Hoareau zot pe bezwen coming to the to en Lagreman.  Mon pa konnen mon.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Mr Chair si mon propoze mwan mon krwar ki nou fer parey Onorab Ramkalawan in propoze avek ‘’intelligence’’ nou asize dan break avek Onorab Georges e nou deside ki nou term  nou ava servi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok dakor.   AG ou ok?

 

ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY

Wi nou kapab fer sa.  Akoz e nou kapab sanze kot i annan ‘’national security.’’  Akoz laplipar nou’n servis sa lekspresyon security of Seychelles partou plito ki national security.  Unless nou pou bezwen sanze.

Me selman ler mon pe get dan bann lezot Lezislasyon zot osi zot servi ‘’security’’ of that country.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok dakor.  Onorab Georges nou a kontinyen.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chairman.  Mr Chairman mon pas prezan lo a ki ti part 2 e ki prezan i part 3 Seychelles Intelligence Service e zot ava vwar i annan en fot tipografi ki nou’n korize dan son heading.

        E sibstansyel-man apre nou’n sanz bann limero bann Seksyon.  Sa ki ti Clause 3 prezan in vin Clause 4.   Sibstansyel-man e  en anliny avek swe tou lede parti, pou ki nou fer sa separasyon ant Prezidan avek sa servis, olye se ki Prezidan ki etabli sa servis, nou’n sanze nou pe dir ki se sa Lalwa ki etabli sa servis.

Donk there is hereby establish se ‘nou’, ler nou pou pas sa Lalwa ki pe met, sa servis an aplikasyon.   E non pa ki Prezidan pe fer li.  Ankor enn fwa pou souliny sa zistans ki nou anvi garde, ant sa ant sa Sef D’Eta ek Sef Gouvernman avek ki pou sanze avek sa servis ki pou permanan.

Clause 4(2) en pti sanzman la ‘’as per’’ nou’n sanze nou’n fer li vin ‘’in accordance with’’ amannman stil.  Etandonnen ki i pa Prezidan prezan, ki pe interface avek servis, me se Konsey zot ava vwar en kantite sanzman, ki pe swiv, kot avan sa ti met Prezidan, prezan nou met Council.  E premye fwa ki sa i arive.  I dan Clause 4 (3).  Etandonnen prezan ki i nepli en dimoun me i en body ‘’his or her,’’ i bezwen vin ‘’its’’ ek en lot pti amannman stil.  

        Dan Clause 4(4) avan sa ti dir, ‘’the service shall subject to the subsection 3 be an independent body.’’  Refleksyon sete ki, etandonnen ki i pou raport avek en Konsey, i pa pou endepandan as such.  Akoz i pou annan en lyen, me i a pou anba kontrol okenn dimoun oubyen Lotorite,  propozisyon sete pou tir sa morso ki dir i endepandan, me gard sa morso ki dir ki i pa pou anba okenn direksyon ou kontrol okenn Lotorite.  Setadir sa servis pa pou anba direksyon ou kontrol okenn Lotorite sof Konsey avek lekel i raporte.

Bann fonksyon sa servis i ganny defini dan Clause 4(4)  ou 4(5) prezan.

E la nou’n fer en sanzman dan paragraf (a) e pou azout e byen pou redefini serten son bann fonksyon.  E nou’n anvi azout  avek ‘’investigate’’  ‘’gather’’ ‘’evaluate’’ correlate,  nou’n anvi sanz ‘’interpret’ e fer li vin ‘’analize’’ e azout ‘’process’’ ‘’supply’’ or ‘’store information.’’  

        Donk pou donn li en lanpler en pti pe pli larz, ki i ti annan. Amannman avek Clause avek paragraf (a) (ii) se ankor enn fwa Council olye Prezidan.

E nou’n anvi azout ‘’assisting enforcement agencies and other authorities’’ olye zis Seychelles Police Force.   Donk avan sa i ti pou asiste zis Lapolis.  La prezan nou anvi ki i kapab asiste okenn lezot Lotorite ou Lazans dan zot fonksyon.

Ek nou’n anvi restrikte ou plito elarzi (eskiz mwan) dan paragraf 4 sa nosyon ‘’sekirite Sesel.’’  Nou pa’n anvi gard li lo zis politik militer ou ekonomik.  Me nou’n anvi ki se sekirite dan tou son lanpler ki sa servis i ava proteze.

E donk nou pe propoz delete sa restriksyon lo ‘’politik militer ek ekonomik.’’

Dan paragraf (b) i pou annan en sanzman ‘’ministerial’’ i pou vin ‘’departmental’’ ek lezot lamannman la i amannman stil ek tipografi.

Parey in ganny dir taler par Attorney Zeneral, partou kot ti annan ‘’ministry office’’ or ‘’agency’’ zot pou vwar ki nou’n elarzi sa term e prezan i pou lir ‘’ministry, department, agency or public body.’’  Donk pou kouver tou bann posibilite.  E la se premye fwa   ki nou vwar sa a de repriz dan sa paragraf.

E finalman anba ‘’(d) Prezidan i ganny ranplase par Konsey. Ek (d) (iii) menm lamannman, pou elarzi scope bann Minister.  E parey in ganny dir yer dan deba, sa Clause final lo ‘’performing any other duties’’ eksetera, i kapab ganny mal enterprete oubyen ki tro larz, nou pe propoze i ganny koupe.

E donk bann fonksyon  i ava bann fonksyon  ki kler e ki defini anba sa Clause.   Donk vwala Mr Chair napa okenn lezot lamannman anba sa Clause.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mon ava aret en pti moman.  Mon annan Onorab William.

 

HON WAVEN WILLIAM

Mersi Mr Speaker.   Mr Speaker mon ti anvi demande akoz ki nou pa en konsistan; lefe ki nou pe servi ‘’National Security’’ anler ki nou pa still refer avek ‘’National Security’’ as we go down.  

        Epi mon lot pwen i mon pa konnen, akoz mon pe go en pti pe backwards nou koz lo the President shall preside over the Council.  Me si Prezidan pa kapab, eski zot pa devret pe nonmen pou dir Prezidan i kapab designate or somebody who is designated.  Akoz dizon Prezidan pa kapab preside ki nou fer la?  Ki Council …?  Dizon Council i bezwen zwenn, me solman Lalwa pa pe dir nanryen lo la.   Sa mon 2 pwen mon anvi met lo la.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab.  Onorab Ramkalawan.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Mr Chairman sa dernyen pwen ki Onorab in fer sorti, sa pou ganny sorted out letan Minis i rantre an kontak avek Prezidan, pou nou regarde si nou si pou met Vis-Prezidan lo la.

E mon krwar ki i pou sous entendus ki si Prezidan pa la son Vis-Prezidan ki pou otomatikman zwe sa rol.  Parske Vis-Prezidan i  pou kick-in as the President, then.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi.  AG.

 

ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY

Mersi Mr Chairman on krwar menm si Prezidan Vis-Prezidan pa lo sa Konsey by virtue of the Constitution ki Vis-Prezidan i egzers  fonksyon Prezidan, then otomatikman e kot Vis-Prezidan  pa la Designated Minister otomatikman constitutionally i egzers fonksyon Prezidan.

Akoz sa bann dimoun i pou lofis  i ex officio more a less.  Thank you.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi AG.  Nou ava kontinyen.  Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chairman e mon osi anvi azout ki annou pa bliye ki anba Clause 3 (7)sa Konsey i pou regulate son prop prosedir. Alor i kapab a nenport ki moman, Prezidan i kapab dir dan mon labsans e dan labsans Vis-Prezidan, akoz i annan de fwa zot tou lede zot pou absan. Konsey i a kapab rankontre anba direksyon ComPol, oubyen Attorney Zeneral oubyen anything.  Zot annan sa fleksibilite pou zot fer sa.

Enportan pou nou remarke Mr Chair, dan Clause 4 prezan ki Clause 5 (2) i annan en serten kantite restriksyon ki’n ganny mete.   E sa i enportan.  I enportan pou soulinyen.   Malgre ki pou annan sa servis lentelizans, sa ki sa paragraf pe dir, sa sub Clause pe dir se bann lezot bodies ki pe anmas entelizans pou kontinyen.  I pa ki zis li prezan ki pou fer tousala.  Alor tou bann lezot keksoz – bann lezot fonksyon ki pe ganny fer par Lapolis, par Customs partou, bann lezot – FIU tousala, pou kontinyen.  E sa Lalwa pa pe deprive zot avek zot bann fonksyon ki egziste deza anba Lalwa.

Donk mon pas a next pwen ki Clause 5, prezan ki Clause 6 kot lapwentman sa dimoun ki pou run the service se sa dimoun ki pou apel en Director General of the service, i ganny apwente.   Avan sa sete Prezidan ki ti pou apwent li, la prezan nou pe dir se Prezidan an konsiltasyon avek Konsey ki pou apwent sa dimoun, lo bann term e kondisyon ki Konsey i determinen.

 

MR SPEAKER

Yes Onorab Ramkalawan.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Mr Chairman, sa dimoun li, ki pou ganny apwente Direkter Zeneral, i pou en dimoun powerful li, parski li ki pou basically sa dimoun ki pou ansarz lentelizans dan nou pei.  I pou parey Sef CIA oubyen Sef   MI-5  – bann soz.

Avek sa lespri ki nou pe koz lo la ki nou’n koz lo la.  E letan pe regarde – ofet Onorab Hoareau ankor enn fwa yer ti fer sorti sa pwen,  an relasyon avek Kenya an relasyon avek enn de bann lezot pei.  E mwan osi mon’n mon ti pe regard, regarde kot Parlman i zwe en rol dan lapwentman sa dimoun.

Mwan mon pe zis demande si nou pa devret fer sa dimoun vin enn ki pas sa tes Parlman?  Kot tou lede kote – well pa tou lede kote kekfwa tou lede 5 kote dan en prosen National Assembly, i kapab pran sa desizyon.  Kot sa dimoun –  ok Prezidan i ava anvoy son nominasyon; kot konmsi I mean bann drafters zot ava regard son prensip, kot sa dimoun i ganny nonmen e i pas the test of the National Assembly e apre sa Prezidan i apwent li.

Parey Komisyoner Lapolis.  Komisyoner Lapolis in vin la dan Lasanble avek propozisyon sorti kot Prezidan, e in pas sa test.  Parski konmsi pou mwan se zis pour ki annan sa rol enportan ant, Egzekitiv avek Lezislatif. E tout an rekonesans  ki poudir sa dimoun apre – I mean bann lezot morso dan Lalwa, i mete ki poudir sa Komite Defans ek Sekirite, i pou annan en oversight lo the Intelligence Service, me selman, son lapwentman li menm – mwan mon ti ava dir ki the President sa new 6(1) should be ‘’the President shall appoint the Director General of the service following’’ oubyen whatever word ki zot kapab mete – ‘’following the recommendation’’ oubyen ‘’the approval’’  – ‘’with the approval of the National Assembly.’’  Mon et sa lo latab pou nu diskite.  Mersi bokou.

Parski ok sa i en propozisyon ki’n sorti lo lot kote latab.  E mwan mon osi mon pe dir ki kekfwa i en bon – mon pe dir i en bon propozisyon.  E si in sorti lo lot kote latab, nou pe dir then mon mazinen i a ganny lannimalite, ki mon pe met sa lo latab Mr Chairman.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab.  Yes Onorab Pillay.

 

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY

Mersi Mr Chair.  Mr Chair mwan mon pe zis mazinen ler nou ti zwenn avek Komisyoner Lapolis avek Attorney Zeneral sirtou ki mannyer Komisyoner in eksplik nou sa.  E rezon akoz nou ti tonm lo sa Lagreman ki sa Konsey ki bezwen aprouve.  Akoz lo sa Konsey i annan ou en Komisyoner Lapolis ki deza li in fini pas anba sa vetting process.

Ou osi ou deza annan ou  en Attorney Zeneral ki pas anba sa vetting process.  Posibleman le sel dimoun ki pa pou’n pas atraver sa vetting process, se probableman the Chief of Defence Forces.  E nou pe koz en Lalwa pou lefitir la.  Konmsi nou espekte poudir sa 2 dimoun kilo sa Konsey ler zot pou propoz en dimoun ki pou ganny apwente, zot pou propoz en dimoun ki kalib.  Ou konpran?

        If we go back to anmenn li dan en prosedir apwentman atraver Parlman, eski nou pa pe nou pa pran risk petet re polariz sa pozisyon?  That’s one of the risk ki nou ki pe pran.

Akoz sa i en servis ki pe akt dan en kapasite profesyonnel, e oule ki ou annan dimoun ki kapab deservi sa servis.

Mon krwar nou bezwen pran en pti pe leson from petet from Public Officers Ethics Commission ozordi.  Ou konpran?  Nou annan en leson nou bezwen tire ladan, kot nou pe vwar difikilte pou ganny en dimoun pou head sa servis.

Me mon ti ava kontan petet ganny reaksyon Attorney Zeneral lo sa propozisyon, akoz mwan pou mwan sa ki enportan se ki, annou asire ki – enn – nou kapab annan oversight sa Konsey.  I pa en Konsey ki kapab act freewheel, fer sa ki anvi.

E dezyenmman selman nou bezwen asire ki nou annan en Direkter Zeneral.  Sa ki mwan mon pli konsernen avek, se the nationality of sa dimoun ki ganny apwente pou head nou Intelligence Service.  

        Mon ti a idealman kontan ki sa i en Seselwa, akoz ou konnen as far as possible annan Seselwa ki pe pran ownership bann pozisyon enportan dan pei.   Mersi Mr Chair.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Pillay.  Onorab Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Mersi Mr Chair.   Mr Chair pou annan lezot lamannman ki mou pou propoze pli tar an relasyon ek sa Seksyon.

Me pou le moman pou koz lo sa proposal pou fer ki i ganny approve by Assembly.   I vre yer letan mon ti pe fer mon pa rezon bann Lalwa – bann ziridiksyon ki en pe parey i annan bann similar Intelligence Services ki’n ganny etablir,  mon ti fer referans ek Kenya.  E Kenya  i vre annefe mon pe get la Seksyon 7 i dir ek ou pou dir  the Director General i apwente par Prezidan with the approval of the National Assembly.

        E letan mwan mon gete mwan mon dir ou fransman mon pa vwar okenn danze ouswa okenn keksoz mal menm si sa Director General i ganny apwente even by Council or by the Assembly.  

        Akoz pou mwan letan mon poudir akoz i kapab by the Assembly, akoz nou Konstitisyon li menm nou’n dir poudir Komisyoner Lapolis i ganny apwente with the approval of the National Assembly.  

        E parey yer mon’n dir dan mon deliberasyon, mon ti dir poudir Kenya aktyelman, zot in incorporate sa Intelligence Service dan zot Konstitisyon.  Zot in fer li vin en Constitutional post.  Likewise Namibia li osi in met sa.  Aktyelman Namibia akoz son Intelligence Service Act ti vin on 1997, zot in amann zot Konstitisyon pou enkli sa.  E Kenya osi.  Akoz Kenya sa Konstitisyon se vin an fors son nouvo Konstitisyon 2010, e zot Intelligence Service Act in vin an fors 2012.

        So zot in amann zot Konstitisyon pou incorporate sa konman en constitutional post e pou vwar zot in kree sa osi konman en Lorgan.    E pou mon i fer sans parske letan ou pe koz Lafors Lapolis, letan ou pe koz intelligence Service,  ou pe koz bann security organs ki pou la pou vey sekirite pei.

So pou mwan mon pa vwar nanryen mal, menm si i pou bezwen ganny subject to be approval of the National Assembly.   Akoz at the end of the day what you doing is, pou asire pou dir you getting the best person to represent.   E pou pran sa pos.  E ou annan en sityasyon kot tou lede brans Gouvernman, i zwe en rol.

Mwan mon pa mind.  Me at the same time mon napa osi issue avek Council.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Hoareau.   Onorab De Commarmond.

 

HON CHARLES DE COMMARMOND

Mersi Mr Chair.  Mr Chair mwan mon vwar i annan keksoz mal mwan.   Si Lasanble pou pran sa desizyon pa pou kapab.  Mon pa krwar i byen.  Akoz nou’n vwar leksperyans nou, ki mannyer Lasanble in desid keksoz ki, par egzanp bann propozisyon Minis – Lasanble in ti kapab annan pli bon kandida ou, si zot desid otherwise ou, ou perdi sa.

Me ki mon krwar amwen – amwen rol Lasanble vizavi sa bann keksoz, i ganny pli byen determinen.  Dan lesans ki Lasanble, son rol se pa pou get, konmsi pa pou fer li dan en fason bias, me selman pou get lentegrite sa dimoun.  Si i pa fou.  Si i byen – si i konmsi i annan bann – i pa malad pou li kapab desarz son responsabilite e non pa senpleman si pou aprouve oubyen non parey nou’n fer.

Mwan mon krwar rol Lasanble vizavi sa, i bezwen pli byen ganny scrutinize,  i bezwen kler avan sa tel desizyon i ganny pran, ki nou pe propoze la.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab De Commarmond.   AG avan mon donn ou laparol, mon ava ekout Onorab Bernard Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chairman.    Mr Chair be pa i gou ler nou annan en Lasanble, kot nou kapab koz dan en fason ki nou pa zis nou tou nou tonm dakor lo en blok? E ki nou kapab eksprim nou lekor dan en fason kot menm dan nou prop kan, nou kapab annan en diverzans?  Mon krwar nou Lasanble ozordi pe vin sa ki bann dimoun ki ti frame nou Konstitisyon ti anvi ki i vini.

E mwan ozordi i en gran zour pou mwan.  Mon’n fer sa prefas akoz mon pe vin mwan osi dan en serten sans met en pwen devan ki i en pe diferan.

Mr Chair nou annan en sityasyon la, kot ki en pti pe diferan avek Minis avek Komisyoner Lapolis.  Si sete Prezidan ki ti pou apwent sa Direkter Zeneral, mon ti ava dir otomatikman i bezwen vin devan Lasanble.  I bezwen annan en oversight somewhere.  

Me etandonnen ki se Konsey ki pe apwent li, ou plito Prezidan pe apwent li, me apre konsiltasyon Konsey.  E rezon nou’n gard Prezidan pou apwente se ki i Sef Egzekitiv, se li ki fer bann apwentman.

Me i annan deza en oversight par Konsey.  Se Konsey ki pou’n dan en serten fason propoz avek Prezidan lekel sa dimoun ki pou vini.   Donk i annan deza en nivo oversight ki pou’n arive.

Mon kestyon ki mon demande se, dizon Konsey in propoz X Mr or Mrs X avek pou ganny apwente e ki i vin devan Lasanble i dir non.       Ki kredibilite Konsey pou annan? Se sa problenm.   Sa set en sityasyon i pa devret annan en mank en mank kredibilite e that’s the only question ki mon pe.   Mon osi mon napa okenn problenm ki vin devan Lasanble me i ti ava bon, me mon zis souliny sa diferans ant ler en dimoun i apwente e oversight se Lasanble oubyen dan en Konsey i apwente e ki sa oversight pa vin devan Lasanble.  Attorney Zeneral pa vin devan nou li, pou nou dir wi ou non.  Akoz in ganny propoze par CAA ki deza in fer sa rol oversight.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Georges.  Bon mon pa pou pran okenn kestyon la.  AG osi ou ava eskiz nou.  Nou ava pran li apre break ler nou rantre 11er.

Mon ti a kontan zis envit Minis delegasyon ek tou Manm pour nou ralye dan lobby ozordi e nou pour pran nou dite dan lobby.  I annan en pti surprise sirtou pour bann Manm.  Ok?  Nou pour, nou tou ansanm pran dite dan lobby e nou ava retournen 11er.

 

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MR SPEAKER

Bon nou ava kontinyen nou travay.  Mwan annan 2 Manm ki ti’n demann laparol.  Mon a donn laparol Onorab Henrie premye. Apre Onorab Ramkalawan, apre AG.  Onorab Henrie.

 

HON GERVAIS HENRIE

Mersi Mr Chair.  Mwan pran laparol pour siport propozisyon ki Leader Lopozisyon in fer pour ki sa dimoun ki ganny apwente koman Direkter Zeneral i ganny, vin isi devan Lasanble Nasyonal parey i le ka avek Komisyoner Lapolis ozordi.  Mon krwar Mr Chair lentansyon Leader Lopozisyon i en pe dan menm lespri letan nou demande ki bann Minis par egzanp ti vin isi, se parski nou ki reprezantan lepep Seselwa, nou anvi donn en loportinite sa endividi ki ganny rekomande pour pran sa propozisyon, i defann son konpetans profesyonnel e osi montre nou sa lendepandans personnel koman en profesyonnel.

I enportan sa, ki piblik i vwar sad an sa endividi e nou, nou, nou ganny sans challenge li, pour asire ki sa dimoun i annan lentegrite, abilite e kapasite pour fer travay sitan enportan. Mon konsyan ki serten dimoun i vwar sa koman en prosesis politize.  Me mwan mon war plito i al dan lespri sa ki Brans Egzekitiv ozordi pe esey promouvwar, se pour ranforsi rann kont, bon gouvernans e sirtou, sirtou pour souliny sa zafer, bann lapwentman ki endepandan.

Sa dimoun konmsi nou war li koman en dimoun ki wi i pour ganny gouvernen par Lalwa, e bann direksyon ki son lorganizasyon ava pran, me i enportan ki nou vwar sa abilite dan sa endividi.  So mon ti ava kontan siport sa propozisyon ki’n ganny fer.  Mersi Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Henrie.  Onorab Ramkalawan.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Non Mr Speaker, Mr Chairman mwan krwar ki sa propozisyon, mwan osi mon stand by sa.  Me nou ava regarde ki mannyer keksoz i ete.

Mwan mon ti pe zis fer en pti komanter an riyan, baze lo sa ki Onorab Georges in dir ki letan bann largiman ki’n mete, non fodre pa ki i vin la devan Lasanble. E letan Onorab Georges in dir ki si Prezidan ti nonm sa dimoun zis li menm li konmsi in enteresan pour regard lot kote latab pour war Onorab De Commarmond pe nod away wi, Onorab osi tou ti a pe nod away selman sa propozisyon ki dan son original Bill se ki ‘’the President shall appoint a suitable person as the Director General.’’ This is what it says.  Ki ti pour dir Prezidan ti pour annan sa drwa li tousel.  E mon pa’n tann nanryen lo kote Onorab De Commarmond pour dir non anmenn devan Lasanble akoz zis Prezidan.

Konmsi tousala i fer li enteresan, pour regarde ki mannyer serten pe dir en keksoz.  Non mon krwar pa Onorab Pillay ki ti a pe nod away.  Mon pa anvi ki i reponn sa parski ou konn li ki mannyer i ete. Alors, non, non menm si i ti pe nod, i pa ti pe nod lo sa size, mon krwar i ti pe nod lo en lot keksoz.  Be annou regarde. Mon konnen ki Onorab Georges in osi met en lot propozisyon.

Mwan mon ti pe apir sa pwen mete devan par Onorab Hoareau akoz pouvwar ki sa dimoun i annan.  Sa dimoun pour annan en kantite pouvwar dan son lanmen.  E si nou pe mazin an term en lenstitisyon, i pou en lenstitisyon dan li menm.  Se lo sa nivo ki mwan pe mazinen mwan. Me it is a free, nou free thinking si zot santi ki pour dir Council, parski lo Council annou pa oubliye. Yes the Chief of Defence Force, sa nou napa okenn keksoz ladan.

E ofet sa osi tou letan nou pe regarde; en lot eleman ki nou pour bezwen swa met dan Konstitisyon ki mannyer i ganny apwente. Parski i en dimoun ki powerful.  I ansarz ou defence forces.  I mean e nou krwar ki at some point nou bezwen mete dan nou Konstitisyon ki i bezwen vin devan Lasanble. I mean Komisyoner akoz ki Komisyoner i bezwen vin devan Lasanble? Sa lo disciplinary force konmsi?

Alors i pour Prezidan Larepiblik, ok Attorney Zeneral, Komisyoner Lapolis, Chief of the Defence Force.  Is it, eski i ase, oubyen, eski nou bezwen anmenn li osi tou devan Lasanble Nasyonal?  Parski apre tou ou annan ou deza 2 dimoun, 2 dimoun, tou le 3 zot reponn direkteman avek Prezidan eksepte Attorney Zeneral dan son lot rol parski li i the principal adviser of the President, of Government.

Me zis dan son rol koman Direkter Prosekisyon ki i endepandan ki personn pa ganny drwa tous li me apard sa tou le 3 i reponn anler kot Prezidan e of course, ok Komisyoner Lapolis tou i sipoze ansarz Lafors, me selman at the same time nou konnen ki pour dir i annan en serten eleman kot i pe run son Police Force sa i soz.  Me selman lo kote policy Gouvernman and everything else – i pour …

So, Mr Chairman mon krwar si nou rezourd sa enn, then pour larestan travay i pour ase fasil.  Parski zot ase straight forward bann lezot laspe.  Mon rod direksyon.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab. Mon a donn AG, bear with me, mon a donn laparol ankor 2 Manm apre mwan a vin kot ou. Onorab Flory Larue.

 

HON FLORY LARUE

Mersi Mr Chair. Bonzour tou dimoun.  Mr Chair an lyen avek en apwentman en post pour en dimoun me anba 5 letan nou ti pe get son powers and son duties mwan pa war any referans tou son rol lo kote politik.

Mwan pe get Intelligence Services Act pour L’Angleterre e direkteman ladan i dir nou ki ‘’the Chief of the Intelligence Service shall be responsible for the efficiency of that service and it shall  be his duty to ensure that the Intelligence Service does not take any action to further the interest of any United Kingdom political party.’’ E sa le fe ki, mon dakor it’s something that we take for granted, ki i pour pran sa dan son rol – i pa pour fer sa.

Me selman le fe ki in ganny ekrir i fer ki i kapab ganny pursue on that. E mon krwar seeing nou context politik ki nou, nou devret think about putting it down under one of his duties. So si nou kapab konsider sa. Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab. Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chair. Mr Chair mon ti pe retourn lo pwen ki ti devan nou avan ki Onorab Flory Larue i koze; setadir eski sa Direkter Zeneral i devret vin devan Lasanble. E annan de fwa Franse i dir La nuit i port konsey.  La ozordi se Christmas Carol, La Bamba, avek Michel Sardou ki’n anmenn en pe konsey letan ki nou ti pe ekout sa pti band.  E ansanm avek Onorab Basil Hoareau ek Attorney Zeneral, nou pe propoz sa lamannman swivan avek sa Clause ki devan nou, old Clause 5, prezan Clause 6. ‘’The President shall appoint on the recommendation of the Council, ‘’egzakteman parey i ete la. e nou pe propoz azoute ‘’and with the approval of the National Assembly.’’ Ok donk tou le de.

E parey ‘’on the recommendation or in consultation with the council and with the approval of the National Assembly. ’’ Or en 2enm formil e sa se Lasanble ki ava get nou olye ‘’with the approval of the National Assembly’’ – ‘’with the approval of the Defence and Security Council of the Assembly.’’ Donk sa set en alternatif.  E donk mwan krwar la nou annan devan nou en levantay posibilite ki kapab ed nou pour bouze.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Bon i annan en 2enm propozisyon konpare avek sa enn ki nou ti pe debat lo la laprouvasyon Lasanble Nasyonal ki i ganny aprouve par sa Komite Defans.  Oule fer komanter Onorab Pillay?

 

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY

Mersi Mr Chair.  Mr Chair si ou a rapel yer 2 nou in koz lo la, mwan menm ek Onorab Ramkalawan, nou’n koz le fe ki Komite Defans ek Sekirite son rol e son lenportans vizavi bann size sekirite Nasyonal, Bidze Ladefans eksetera i pour vin en Standing Committee.

Mon krwar sa i en keksoz ki nou bezwen tonm dakor lo la. e ler i vin en Standing Committee sa Komite parey dan bann lezot pei, parey dan Senate Select Committee on Intelligence ki li ki fer bann lapwentman spesifik ladan, parey dan Lanmerik par egzanp ki annan bann sistenm egzekitiv parey nou, i fer sans ki on the approval of sa Committee.  Konmsi i ava vin en group en pe plis restrikte. Me selman i en group ki’n ganny endorse, akoz the Committee i zis an extension of the National Assembly.  Ou konpran?

Me selman mon pa konnen si nou oule al with the approval of the Committee or with consultation of the Committee? With consultation of the Committee? Sa ki mon pe met a ou latansyon.  Selman i fer sans akoz the second one – akoz i posib ki dan sirkonstans ki nou pe pran en dimoun ki’n deza dan sa domenn, i pour annan petet bann kestyon spesifik lo bann size, pour li donn serten legzanp – bann eleman kot in deza travay lo la, ki pour annan en natir sekirite Nasyonal – ki fer li kalifye pour sa louvraz ki i pe al pran.  Ou konpran?

E se pour sa rezon ki si ler ou annan en Standing Committee ki’n design pour sa, ki’n ganny met an plas pour sa i fer plis sans ki ou annan sa. Parey L’Angleterre i annan menm sistenm, Lanmerik i annan. So mon krwar i best practice pour annan sa kalite, sa kalite prosedir.  Mersi Mr Chair.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi.  Les mwan ava donn laparol AG.

 

ATTORNEY GENERAL MR  FRANK ALLY

Mersi Mr Chairman.  Mon krwar Onorab George Onorab Pillay in more or less summarise sa ki mon ti pour dir.

Me selman zis petet mwan ti a kontan fer en pwen ki nou’n sorti lo kot Prezidan ti pour apwent sa Director General. Kot prezan Prezidan pour apwent sa Direkter Zeneral lo rekomandasyon Council. Prezidan i form par Council li e li ki pour prezid ler Council pour fer sa rekomandasyon.  E apre sa rekomandasyon pour al pour li kot Prezidan, pour li apwente. So i pour asiz to some extent on a recommendation pour li pran en desizyon lo en rekomandasyon ki in partisip ladan.

Petet parey Onorab Pillay in dir, vi ki i annan serten keksoz en pti pe sansib, petet Defence ek Security Committee of the National Assembly e Prezidan prezan i a konsilte rather than rod son approval. Petet sa i ava en konpromi avek sa mefyans petet oubyen apreansyon LGB.

Lo kote sa ki Onorab Larue in dir, mon pa’n sezi antyerman.  Me selman mon pe zis gete si the previous Seksyon 10 (e), si i aport en pti en repons si mon’n konpran ou byen ki ou pe dir ki napa nanryen ki dir poudir ki sa pouvwar sa Direkter Zeneral, oubyen pouvwar i pa pour annan okenn issue politik. Akoz (e) i dir ou poudir i pa pour – in fer referans avek bann parti politik oubyen bann lorganizasyon Sesel. Mon pa konnen si sa i reponn ou apreansyon?  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Bon petet annou fini sa main lamannman la. Annou pran en desizyon and then we can move forward e nou ava tous sa morso kot Onorab Flory Larue pe fer serten propozisyon. Or else nou pa pour move.  Ok?

Mon anvi ki nou kapab, e petet mwan ava zis alert bann Manm, nou annan ziskan 12.30.  Apre midi nou pa pe zwenn.  Nou’n kapab negosye half an hour avek SBC ziska 12.30 pour nou kapab konsider sa bann lamannman.  Si non nou pour bezwen kontinyen Lendi. Ok? Onorab De Commarmond.

 

HON DE COMMARMOND

Mr Chair, mersi.  Sa propozisyon AG dernyen kou la i an konsiltasyon avek Defence and Security Committee mon krwar i ok.  Mwan mon siport sa.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok yes.  Lo kote Lopozisyon. Onorab Ramkalawan.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Mwan osi tou personnelman mon tant pour mwan al dan sa direksyon. With consultation avek sa Komite, ki nou pour byensir – letan nou pour, letan nou ava pe koz sa nou ava pe regarde, nou ava pe fer sorti nou pwen e nou ava met li klerman ki, si nou annan keksoz ki nou santi ki rezervasyon, sa bann rezervasyon i ava ganny pran an konsiderasyon.

Parski mon krwar osi tou ki nou bezwen – spesyalman lo sa kote sekirite.  E nou bezwen kapab montre ki nou kapab bouz dan en direksyon avek konfyans. Avek konfyans, I mean, fodre pa ki toultan nou al lo mefyans.

Mon krwar ki le fer ki i annan sa Komite e sa komite li i pe deza pe tous bann keksoz sansib. Mwan osi mon tant pour dakor an konsiltasyon avek sa Komite avek Komite Defans e konsiltasyon, laprobasyon.  Mon krwar sa ki mon pe tande si konsiltasyon i en mo ki, konsiltasyon i en mo ki al plis dan sa laliny.  Ok, so mon krwar an konsiltasyon avek Komite Sekirite Defans ek Sekirite. Yes.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Propozisyon Mr Chair i lo board. Eski tou dimoun dakor apard sa ki highlight an zonn ki nou pour vin lo la dan en minit.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok petet re-lir antye.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

‘’The president shall appoint on the recommendation of the council and in consultation with the Defence and Security Committee of the National Assembly a suitable person as the Director General of the service’’ – etc.

 

MR SPEAKER

Alright.  Onorab Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Mersi Mr Chair.  Mr Chair mwan pour bouz.  Pa lo menm issue me en pe lo menm – be selman i pour annan en le fe lo sa menm seksyon ki nou pe gete la ki prezaman as per the amendments being proposed i pour 6(1).

So lo sa issue ki mwan ti raise yer lo kalifikasyon sa dimoun ki pour hold, ki pour ganny apwente koman Director General.  Sa bann kalifikasyon se ki nou ti dir se ki i bezwen en Seselwa.  Mon pa konnen si nou pour met en pti, en pti pe plis keksoz – an term si nou pe dir i bezwen annan en leksperyans dan national security, ouswa keksoz koumsa si nou pa bezwen then zis nou pour dir i en Seselwa.  Be at least nou pour bezwen mete.  E i annan 2 fason nou pour met sa.

A suitable person nou kapab met li dir a suitable citizen of Seychelles ki mon pa tro dakor avek.  Plito nou a fer en sub-section ki nou a mete pou dir ‘’the Director General shall be a citizen of Seychelles’’ dan en, par egzanp si nou fer li vin sub-section 2, prezan i a dir subject to sub-section 2 ‘’the President shall appoint and so forth’’ apre, sub-section 3 a dir ‘’the Director General shall be a citizen of Seychelles. ‘’

 

MR SPEAKER

Annou regard propozisyon ki Onorab Georges pe fer lo screen.  A suitable person who is a citizen of Seychelles.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Mwan osi mon ti’n mazin sa me dan suitable citizen of Seychelles i pa lir, ‘’a suitable citizen of Seychelles’’ – it doesn’t read well pour mwan.  Letan ou dir en suitable person ok.  Mon konnen i more or less has the same meaning.  Selman i pa lir byen ‘’suitable citizen of Seychelles.’’ Akoz mwan osi mon ti’n mazin sa.

 

MR SPEAKER

A suitable person who shall be a citizen of Seychelles.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Mon krwar plito nou fer en sub-section 2.  Non, non, sub-section, 6, (1) apre nou ava  fer en nouvo… 2 apre sa bann 2 i a vin sa ki 2 la i a vin 3.  Prezan nou a dir subject to subjection 2, i kontinyen lir apre sub-section 3, ‘’ The Director General shall be a citizen of Seychelles.’’  So 65,(1) i a komans subject to sub-section 2.

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Georges.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

And 2 the Director General shall be a citizen of Seychelles.  Wi.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chair. Donk, propozisyon parey i lo board i lir koumsa. Clause 6,(1) ‘’subject to sub-section 2 the President shall appoint on the recommendation of the Council and with consultation of the Defence and Security Committee of the National Assembly, a suitable person as the Director General of the service on such terms and conditions as the council may determine.’’

        Sub-section 2 ‘’The Director General shall be a citizen of Seychelles. ‘’

 

MR SPEAKER

Alright, AG. Minister.  Eski sa i ok. Minister.  Minis.

 

MINISTER JEAN-PAUL ADAM

Mersi bokou Mr Speaker e mon krwar dan laliny ki pe ganny prezante i dan en fason zeneral akseptab.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok mersi Minis.  Onorab Pillay.

 

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY

Mr Chair mon oule segonn sa bann propozisyon lamannman anba prozeksyon 6.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok, good.  Nou ava move on.  Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chair mon pour vin en pti kou lo sa ki Onorab Flory Larue in propoze me zis avan, mon’n reganny mon laptop koman zot vwar.  E mon pe retourn lo enn de keksoz ki nou’n manke pli boner. E mwan retourn lo very briefly lo Clause 4 avan 5 prezan, B, kot nou pe donn bann fonksyon, bann powers, duties and  functions of the service.

Yer an mezir ki nou ti pe ekout deba, nou ti realize ki an anfen enn de dimoun ti realize ki, annefe sel keksoz ki nou pe demann sa anba Ministerial of Departmental Intelligence, nou pe demann avek sa servis, donn zot sa lenformasyon.  Me i kler ki zot osi sa bann servis – sa bann Departman i annan lenformasyon ki kekfwa servis ti ava kontan gannyen.  Alor nou pe zis propoze parey lo board, olye met ‘’gather departmental intelligence at the request of any interested Ministry,’’ met ‘’gather departmental intelligence from or at the request of any Ministry’’ ki permet zot ganny lenformasyon from sa bann bodies ki i annan, sa lenformasyon, Customs – FIU, bann keksoz koumsa.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok, yes Onorab Ramkalawan.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Ok.  Zis en pti soz akoz ki Ministry i capital M?  I think Ministry wherever it appears should be small ‘’m’’.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES Very simple Mr… nou’n ganny li koumsa e nou pa’n sanze. That’s how it came.

 

MR SPEAKER

Alright annou kontinyen Onorab.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Eski nou dakor avek ‘’from – or?’’ If so, mon a vin prezan avek ou permisyon nou a sot lo pwen Onorab Larue.  E si nou al, sa i reponn parsyelman sa ki i pe propoze.

Si nou al lo old ten new 11, clause 11, (1) (d).  (d)  nou ava vwar ki enn bann fonksyon Direkter Zeneral se  (d).  ‘’Take all reasonable steps to ensure that the action of the service are limited to what is necessary for the proper performance for its functions under this Act or any other written law and that no information is gathered by the service,’’ (eskiz mwan) that’s the wrong one.  

E, ‘’ensure that the service is not in the performance of its functions influenced by considerations not relevant to such functions and that no act is performed that could rise to any reasonable suspicion that the service is concerned in furthering, protecting or undermining the interest of any particular section of the population or any political party or an organization in Seychelles.’’

Donk kler ki i pa kapab e i pa devret ganny war swa pe siport en parti politik i.e the one in power or azir kont en lot usually sa enn ki dan lopozisyon.

Mon pe zis met sa la pour gete si i satisfer Onorab Larue ase.

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Mr Chair mon’n en pe bliye ki Onorab Larue ti pe lir from Lalwa Angle. Me selman i annan 2 issue la. I annan en issue kot ou pe fer sir ki pour dir sa service pa pe perpetuate en obzektif towards en lorganizasyon spesifik ouswa political party.  E sa i ganny tyonbo par 11, (1) (e) ki dan originally 10, (1) (e).

Me ou annan osi en lot issue ou pa le ki ou bann, ou le ki ou bann staff sa servis, bann manm sa servis zot malgre ki zot kapab annan en lopinyon politik zot pour annan en dwa annan en lopinyon politik, me nou toultan anvi ki zot pe montre en political neutrality dan sa.  I annan 2 keksoz la.  E mon pa krwar poudir 10, (1) (e) ouswa 11, (1) (e) i tyonbo sa enn.

E annefe i en proposal ki pli tar mwan pour fer letan nou pour ariv dan miscellaneous provisions ki mon pour propoze poudir i annan serten keksoz ki nou pour bezwen tyonbo sa bann Manm spesifik prezan.  La i pe koz lo servis li menm, me apre nou bezwen adres sa issue an relasyon avek bann Manm spesifik.

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Ok Mr Chair nou ava pran li pli tar.  Going on, nou ankor lo Clause 6 old 5.  E sa se lapwentman Direkter.  I annan Direkter Zeneral ki pour ansarz sa servis, epi i annan en direkter.  Dan son Bill ki’n vin devan nou, lentansyon se ki ou pour bezwen annan en Direkter Zeneral, me ou pa, me i posib ki ou pour osi bezwen en Direkter. E Onorab Basil Hoareau in lev sa pwen yer.  Se pour sa rezon ki nou’n highlight ‘’may’’ – ‘’that the Council may in consultation appoint a Director of the service.’’

E Onorab Basil Hoareau ti pe dir ki akoz i annan serten servis ki Direkter i bezwen fer, alor i pour bezwen annan en Direkter e i pe propoze ki sa ‘’may’’ i vin ‘’shall.’’ Nou’n highlight li pour ekout li ozordi lo sa pwen.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Georges.  Onorab Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Mr Chair letan mon gete mon krwar i devret ‘’shall’’ sa.  I devret ki – akoz premyerman. Premye keksoz ki mon kapab referans ki mon ti a kontan nou pe get Seksyon 5 la, Seksyon 6 dan lamannman ki Seksyon 5 dan original si nou al kot nou al kot Seksyon 3 ki 4 dan sa enn ki la, si nou kapab le Onorab Georges nou pour war dan son wording Seksyon 2, 4, (2). Seksyon 4 en, Seksyon 4. Non yes 4(2), non 4(2) Ki dan Seychelles i pour part 3 la zis koman kot part 3 komanse.  La i la, 4 (2).

‘’The service shall consist of a Director General, a Director. Nou dir la dan 4 (2) nou pe dir pour dir i pour’’ shall consist’’ la i la ki i pour konsiste of. Me apre nou dir’’ it may,’’ it does not make sense poudir ‘’it shall consist ‘’and then sa.  E letan ou get the Act as a whole. Parski premyerman letan ou get fonksyon Director and Director General i 2 diferan fonksyon akoz enn i pou, the Auditor General pou oversee and manage, supervise louvraz agency of service li the Director i la plito pou konman the administrator.  I look at the administrative sides of things.  

E sa i ganny borne out also dan section 10 ki 11, 11 le ou get ‘’the Auditor General shall’’ ki donn son bann keksoz ki i kapab fer e letan ou konpar Section 11 ki 12 ki lo lamannman lo sa ki powers and duties of Directors. The Director shall be the administrative head of a service.

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chair.  Eski li osi i devret en Seselwa ouswa nou pa mind?

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok. Dakor ki i devret en Seselwa li osi.  Alright annou move on.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Sa enn fwa nou kapab dir a citizen of Seychelles, oubyen fodre nou fer parey ankor e fer li vin en separate…?  Eski nou kapab met citizen of Seychelles la. Appointed a citizen of Seychelles integrity, good service record and experience?

Moving on Mr Chair.

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Mon krwar petet Onorab Georges in bliy en keksoz.  Letan ou ti koze dan break an relasyon avek 3 apre, 3 sa nouvo Seksyon 3 ki set up the National Security Council kot nou ti pe koz lo definisyon intelligence apre pour sanz National Security.  Fer apre? ok, ok.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab.  Onorab Georges annou kontinyen.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Efektivman Mr Chair. ou ti’n diriz pandan break regard en pe si nou pour annan en definisyon security  ek intelligence.  Nou’n fer en travay lo la e avek ou permisyon nou a retourn lo la pli tar ler pour pa kas nou rhythm.

Clause 7, old 6, sa sa se bann Manm ki pour ganny apwente, bann Manm sa servis set a dir bann dimoun ki pour travay anba Direkter Zeneral dan sa servis.  E i annan en lalis e sa ki nou pe sinyale ozordi se ki sa ki sa Clause i oule dir i pa pe dir ki Konsey i pour bezwen apwent en dimoun ki sorti dan SPDF, dan Lafors Lapolis oubyen kot DICT.

Me sa i donn zot, i din sa Konsey permisyon pour li al rod sa bann dimoun.  E lafason ki in ganny drafte se pour dir ki although en dimoun pe deza servi dan Lafors Lapolis oubyen dan Lafors Defans oubyen kot DICT oubyen en public servant, i still kapab ganny apwente pour li vin en Manm sa Konsey.  E donk nou’n fer en propozisyon swivan, Seychelles Police Force, nou fer li vin Police Force of Seychelles akoz se sa la fason ki i ganny definir anba Lalwa.

Olye Broadcasting and Telecommunication Department akoz sa non pou sanze, nou prefere met sa Lazans Gouvernman ki pou ganny konsernen avek broadcasting ek telecommunication. E finalman nou’n azout okenn dimoun ki dan en servis, en Lazans Gouvernman ki konsernen avek border control.

Setadir essentially Imigrasyon avek Customs. E nou’n fer sa antre koman en nouvo propozisyon.  Unless ki i annan okenn protestasyon mon kontinyen.

Next, next dan lamannman i vin anba Clause 8 e old Clause 7 pour dir ki Direkter Zeneral avan sa i ti bezwen ganny laprobasyon Prezidan pour li apwent administrative staff prezan i ava fer sa avek laprobasyon Konsey.  E Prezidan i kapab anyway napa gran sanzman avek Clause 10 ki Prezidan dan en state of emergency i kapab demann sa servis pour fer okenn aktivite ki i santi i neseser.  E la se Prezidan non pa Konsey akoz se Prezidan ki deklar en state of emergency e donk se li ki i annan plen pouvwar pandan en state of emergency size a bann restriksyon ki annan anba Konstitisyon.

Clause 11, i part 4 prezan ki determin bann travay, bann fonksyon Direkter Zeneral ek Direkter. Premye fonksyon nou’n tire e sa i ti dir ki direkter Zeneral i pour vin principal adviser Prezidan ek Gouvernman li bann zafer ki annan pour fer avek sekirite ek lentelizans. I nepli le ka.  Alor akoz son rol endepandan i pa pour fer sa.  I ava raport avek Konsey. I pa pour rapor direkteman avek Prezidan.  Me i ava raport avek Konsey.

E lo lamannman ki nou’n vwar la, se sa enn kot nou’n sans Ministry, office or agency, nou’n fer li vin en pe pli gran. Napa gran lamannman ziska nou ariv part 5 ki annan pour fer avek fon.  E la i annan serten lamannman.  Son Bill ler in vin devan nou, ti propoze ki sa servis i ava kapab annan son prop bank account.  Me parey nou konnen e nou’n tann sa telman fwa dan deba Bidze okenn Departman oubyen Lazans Gouvernman pa kapab annan son kont o plito pa devret annan i devret azir anba Consolidated Fund atraver bann lareg.  E donk nou’n sanz, nou’n sanz sa propozisyon pour dir ki bann fon prezan i ava selman bann fon ki ganny appropriated par en Bidze ki ava vin devan sa Lasanble.

E dezyenmman en posibilite pour sa servis ganny donasyon, gift eksetera, nou’n tire konpletman, akoz nou pa anvi ki i annan okenn dimoun ki annan memiz ki lo sa servis akoz i fer en don.  Donk sa se sel, plito se sanzman ki nou’n fer an sa ki konsern fon. E nou’n mete avan ki mon kit sa Mr Chair, nou’n mete ki bann fon sa servis i ava anba kontrol Direkter Zeneral.

Mon pa konnen akoz nou’n met Direkter Zeneral e non pa Direkter, akoz sete Direkter ki ti annan, ki administrative head.  Arr wi nou pa ti asire si ti pou annan en Direkter oubyen non, alor etandonnen la, ki nou pou annan en Direkter nou ava bezwen retourn an aryer e dir ki bann fon pou anba kontrol Direkter e non pa Direkter Zeneral.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Geroges.  Nou a pran komanter Onorab Pillay.

 

HON SEBATIEN PILLAY

Mersi. Mr Chair zis vitman, zis pou fer en presizyon Mr Chair. Malgre ki Public Finance Management Act i donn provizyon pour annan en kont, dan sa konteks ki la i pa fer sans pou annan.  So that’s why nou’n dir i pa neseser. Be selman mwan mon ti a prefere gard Direkter Zeneral, akoz li ki sipoze the Accounting Officer.  Se li ki pou bezwen reponn kestyon. He’s the Accounting Officer akoz the Director i act lo son, anba son sipervizyon.  So, ou bezwen somebody ki ultimately responsible pou bann desizyon ki’n ganny pran. Otherwise enn pou dir enn, lot pou dir lot e prezan ou pou war ou dan sityasyon kot ou pri dan milye.  Mersi Mr Chair.

 

MR SPEAKER

Yes.  Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chair.  Donk nou gard Director General e la nou pou al vit lo sa bann lo sa bann Clause swivan, akoz sa se bann Clause pa’n annan gran sanzman, apard bann sanzman tipografik e stilistik.  E sa se, e sa i annan pou fer avek la fason ki sa servis i kapab al kot Lakour e demann en Ziz permisyon pou al antre dan kont en dimoun tap son telefonn eksetera, eksetera. Nou’n sanz, nou’n tir en seksyon ki annan pou fer avek serious offence akoz i pa ti neseser. Nou’n gard sa konsep ki selman pou bann lofans serye ki sa i kapab arive me nou pa’n santi nou bezwen pou  refer en definisyon serious offence dan en lot Seksyon ki li menm li i pa define serious offence.

E donk Mr Chair nou napa gran, nou napa okenn sanzman parey mon’n dir apard bann sanzman stil ziska Clause 23. E Clause 23, ah wi pardon, i annan serten e sa se bann fine, bann fine ki ti R10, R20mil nou’n fer sorti 10 pou mont 50 mil e 20 pou mont 100mil. E Onorab Basil Hoareau ti pe dir be menm sa pa ase.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok.  Mersi Onorab Georges.  Onorab Ramkalawan.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Mr Chairman mon krwar ki mon a les laparol avek Onorab Hoareau, parski mon konnen ki i pe al. mon lir son lespri mon krwar i pe al fer en propozisyon lo bann fines konbyen li i anvi mete. Mon ava les li koz lo la, mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab, Onorab Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Mersi Mr Chair.  Mr Chair orizinalman i 20mil me la in ganny dir i pe ganny propoze pou 100mil. Mon’n get sa 2 Lalwa mon’n konpar Namibia avek Kenya.  Namibia ki ti ganny fer an 1997 li i dir avek ou son fine i 20 Namibian Dollars e son santanz prizon i 5 an.  Ok?  Letan mon’n convert mon pa konnen mon’n fer li lo computer letan mon’n convert Namibian Dollars i tonm apepre R19mil son 20mil.

Me Kenya, Kenya ki li son Lalwa in vin an 2012 li son fine i up to 5 milyon Kenyan Shillings ki letan ou convert li apepre 664mil Seychelles Rupees e son imprisonment i 10 years.

So mwan mon ti pou propoze, mwan mon krwar ki nou pa pe met en pri lo bann right ki bann dimoun i annan. Right to privacy and so forth, me pou montre ki si ou al enterfer avek sa, i annan en pinisyon sever pour nou montre pou dir nou tret sa bann drwa ki vreman fondamantal.  Then mon krwar nou devret pe look into the region of fine.   Mon pa konnen si nou oule al 500 mil mon me selman at least 250mil mon krwar e prizon definitivman 10an.  Mon krwar otherwise it’s too lenient.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab. Onorab Ramkalawan.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Mr Chair, mwan mon krwar ki si ou pe koz 10an prizon then mon krwar nou bezwen al lo R500mil. Parski, e pou anvoy en mesaz kler ki pou dir okenn aksyon ki nou term li konman en koripsyon pa pou ganny tolere.  So, mwan mon ti ava dir ki son, si nou al lo son highest fine kot partou kot i annan 20 mil ladan, in the present, in the original Bill i vin 500mil e kot i annan 10mil la i vin 250. Konmsi i a vin 500mil ek 10an oubyen ek 250mil avek 5an. Parske annou pa bliye ki pou dir avoka President Trump i dan prizon la en, pou pran ki mannyer keksoz i serye.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab. AG ou le fer komanter oubyen …? AG ou le fer komanter?

 

ATTORNEY GENERAL MR FRANK ALLY

Non Mr Chair. .

 

MR SPEAKER

Non?  Ok?  Onorab Georges nou a kontinyen.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chair. Dan lentere Nasyonal mon fer abstraksyon avek lefet ki mon en avoka ladefans, e mon les sa bann pinisyon monte.  Ok. Eski Lasanble i ava permet nou pa fer tou bann koreksyon la, me fer sa bann koreksyon en pe pli tar? Akoz i annan en kantite landrwa kot fodre nou sanze e letan i kont nou Mr Chair, mersi.

23, 23 i old 22 sa se oversight role of the National Assembly. Ok?  Donk lo sa servis Lasanble Nasyonal ou plito son Komite Defans ek Sekirite pou annan en role oversight.  E donk a nenport ki moman sa komite i kapab demann Direkter Zeneral vin devan li pou eksplik okenn keksoz ki i santi li bon.  E si sa keksoz i sansib ki Direkter Zeneral pe vin dir, i kapab demann ki bann Manm i pret en serman devan Speaker oubyen devan Deputy Speaker.

E se sa ki amannman ki nou’n fer, avan ki i devwal sa keksoz avek zot.  E nou’n fer kler ankor enn fwa dan lentere ki tou dimoun i bezwen ganny reprezante, ki dezormen sa Komite Defans ek Sekirite Lasanble, pou bezwen annan en Manm ki sorti sa main parti politik ki pa parti politik kot son Chairman i sorti.  Setadir pou fer sir ki toultan sa 2 pli gro parti ki reprezante dan Lasanble, i ganny reprezante lo sa Komite.

Wi, anfen letan ou pou prezant sa lenformasyon, me etandonnen ki pou vin en Standing Committee donk i sa i pou leka dan en fason permanan.  Onorab Hoareau pe demann laparol Mr Chair.

 

MR SPEAKER

Yes, Onorab.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Zis en pti sanzman dan wording letan mon’n get sa kot nou pe koz lo reprezantasyon – letan nou dir, si nou get son wording. ‘’Main political party represented in the National Assembly other than the one from which the Chairperson has been elected. ‘’ Konmsi from the word – mon annan en issue avek sa wordings, mwan letan mon ti pe mazinen pou propoze mon pa konnen.  ‘’Other from the one from which a Chairperson originates from’’  – other than the one from which ‘’he has been elected.’’ Ya, because the word elected, non, non from which it originates.

 

MR SPEAKER

Alright. Let’s move on, Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chair no problem with that, sorry.  Onorab Pillay ti pe demann laparol.

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Pillay.

 

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY

Non. Mon pa pe al dir si independent candidate mwan. Mon krwar ‘’elected’’ akoz mon krwar sa dimoun ki become the Chairperson of the Defence Committee i ganny elekte li e i pa ekspekte pou dir petet sa parti ki annan la mazorite lo Defence Committee ki elekte sa Chairman.  Ou kapab annan ou dan en sirkonstans ki zot elekte the best person for the job.  Ou konpran? So, mon krwar originate petet i en lot sa.  Mon pa konnen mwan.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

I think originates makes sense because sa dimoun pa vreman ganny elekte li, sa ki ou pe dir. I think the intention pour mwan se ki ou fer sir pou dir the Chairperson avek sa lot manm pa sorti dan menm parti politik.  This is the intention.

 

MR SPEAKER

Alright. Onorab Georges.  Let’s move on nou mentenir ‘’originate.’’

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chair, e finalman nou vin li bann dernyen Clause kot regilasyon i kapab ganny fer. Prezidan i kapab fer regulation anba sa Act, me Sef Ziz i ava fer regilasyon an sa ki konsern lafason ki sa servis i fer laplikasyon a en Ziz pou ganny bann lord ki nou’n koz lo la taler. Dan Clause 25 new 26 bann amannman i tipografik.  Sel keksoz zot ava vwar se nou’n tir sa dernyen fraz a lafen e nou’n met li dan konmansman pou li lir pli byen.  E dan 27 old 26 ankor enn fwa se sa lamannman Ministry eksetera.  Onorab Hoareau pe demann laparol.

 

MR SPEAKER

Yes, Onorab Basil Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Mersi Mr Chair. Mr Chair ti annan detrwa lamannman ki mon ti a anvi propoze dan miscellaneous. Kot mon ti propoze, premyerman mon pa, mon mazinen nou ti kapab met sa apre 27.  Me selman avek 27 mon ti pou annan, mon ti anvi annan en lamannman.  Mon ti anvi petet propoze ki la nou annan zis en Seksyon 27 me selman mon ti anvi propoze ki sa Seksyon 27 ki la in 27(1). Akoz aktyelman yer letan mon ti dir ti napa extra territorial provision, sa 27 i extra territorial provision to a certain extent.

Prezan mon ti anvi propoz en 27(2) akoz sa 27(1) ki i ete la, i pe zis dir poudir i pe donn bann Manm ouswa bann Direkter Zeneral ouswa Direkter Servis drwa pour zot operate an deor Sesel.  Ki mon ti anvi met konman 2 se ki fer pou dir bann lofans ki sa Lalwa i kree.  Menm si ou al komet sa lofans an deor Sesel ou pou still ganny trouve koupab par Lakour Sesel, ou still ganny treated as if you have committed in Seychelles.  Akoz what if demen, ou annan en servis entelizans avek technology ozordi, sa dimoun i plas son lekor an deor Sesel e i fer sa louvraz ki i konnen si ti fer Sesel, i ti pou en lofans.

E  mwan mon ti pe propoze pou dir sub section 2 i lir or 27(2), any Act omission, any act, omission or other conduct constituting an offence under this Act, shall constitute an offence even if the Act, omission or conduct takes place outside Seychelles.’’ So, ki ou fer pou dir par egzanp si ou al entersepte, ou pe entersepte telekominikasyon and you’re doing it from en landrwa outside Seychelles, ou still ganny treated as if ou’n fer sa Sesel.

E mon krwar sa i enportan.  I enportan pour nou fer sa.  Akoz sa bann provizyon ki la i vreman enportan ki nou fer li vin extra territorial.  Sa i enn.  Mon krwar mon a les lo sa enn pour le moman, apre mon ava al lo lezot apre mon a gete si i annan okenn komanter.

 

MR SPEAKER

Alright. Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

En sel komanter stil Mr Chair. Mon dakor avek son sibstans, me mon pa krwar ki i devret vin en sou-seksyon 27.  Mon krwar i en stand alone.  I napa okenn relevans avek 27 mannyer i ete la pour le moman.  Donk i devret en seksyon separe. E avek, si tou dimoun i dakor nou pa a fer sa amannman la akoz letan i kont nou zot a permet nou fer li apre.

 

MR SPEAKER

Yes.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Ok, napa problenm avek sa.  Apre ki mon ti pe propoze Mr Chair, mon ti pe propoze ki nou annan en Seksyon ki deal avek disciplinary code.  E la ki mon ti pe propoze the warding ki mon ti pe propoze se ki, ‘’the President subject to the approval of the council, the President shall subject to the approval of the council, issue and maintain a disciplinary code for the service which may …’’

E la prezan mon ti pou avek tou franchise mon ti pou borrow sa ki Kenya i dir ‘’which may prescribe disciplinary offences provide for investigation hearing and determination of disciplinary cases and the hearing of any appeals therefrom; provide for the delegation by the director general to any director, or member of service of such disciplinary powers as he or she may consider necessary.’’ And then it sets out also prezan dan sub-clause, subsection 2 ki bann disciplinary action ki ganny fer.

Akoz mon war sa enportan; lapolis i koumsa, Lapolis dan son Act i annan sa bann provizyon ki mannyer, what are the disciplinary offences ek ki mannyer ou ganny dealt with.  E sa i menm kalite lorganizasyon, menm kalite body ki Lapolis. I en civilian disciplinary force li basically ki mannyer i ete.  So mon krwar i devret similar annan sa bann provizyon e avek permisyon Lasanble ankor, si i donn permisyon Onorab Georges, pour nou word sa, be selman an prensip nou aksepte li lo la.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok.

 

MR WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Yes Mr Chair

 

MR SPEAKER

I annan konsansis.  Onorab Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Prezan en lot keksoz ki mon ti pou, propoze ankor, mon pe kopi from Kenya e la i pou adres lo sa ki Onorab Larue ti pe raise se en code of conduct and ethics. Ankor sa i ganny fer, i ganny issued parey nou’n dir e ladan sa bann code pou basically dir pou dir, you can leave it for the Director General parey in mete la. Me shall issue and maintain a code of conduct, ethics, leadership and integrity for members of a service, which shall provide for professional conduct, political neutrality conflict of interest, conduct of private affairs’’ regarding sa bann issues.  So mon krwar ki i enportan ki nou set en code of conduct ki mete e i deal avek sa issue political neutrality ki’n ganny raise regarding bann Manm. Ankor mon ti pou demann seek the permission of the Assembly pour nou adres sa.

 

MR SPEAKER

Alright. Onorab Ramkalawan.

 

MR WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Yes Mr Speaker i fer sans total.  Zis mon en pe per ki Prezidan Ouguru i vin rod Onorab Hoareau.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok, i annan konsansis.  Ou annan ankor Onorab Hoareau? Fini?  Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGE

Mersi Mr Chairman, nou pe al lo dernyen Clause 30 old 29 kot i annan, sa ki nou’n fer sa se en Clause standar ki dir en travayer sa Lazans si i fer son keksoz an bonnfwa i pa pou liable.  Me nou pe extend li to bann Konsey osi servis, avek zot permisyon.  Si tou dimoun i dakor ek sa nou avan annan zis 2 definisyon ki Onorab Hoareau i ava pas lo la en pti kou. E avek zot permisyon si nou aprouve nou ava insert zot apre en, pardon, en definisyon ki ti anvi, ki nou konsidere.

Ah pardon, pardon Mr Chair eskiz mwan mon retourn lo Clause 27 old 26 e mon’n highlight intelligence. Akoz mon krwar se sa, sa pwen ki Onorab Hoareau pe al koz lo la. Eski nou pou apel nou lentelizans isi ‘’national security’’ oubyen ‘’threats to the security of Seychelles?’’ Mon krwar ler nou ti pe diskit sad an break avek Attorney Zeneral nou’n prefer ‘’threats to the security of Seychelles’’ ki’n ganny define, olye ‘’national security.’’ Alor ankor enn fwa sa ki mon’n highlight kekfwa an fonksyon sa nou ava bezwen sanze pou vin ‘’threats to the security of Seychelles’’.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab.  Onorab Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Non, mon dakor e intelligence basically mon ti dir bomaten ki meaning ki nou pou servi e mon krwar nou’n agree pour nou define intelligence.  Zis pour nou fer definition intelligence.

 

MR SPEAKER

Alright. Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chair, si Lasanble i donn nou permisyon nou ava met en definisyon intelligence zis ant ‘’evaluate’’ avek ‘’judge.’’  E Onorab Hoareau ava provide sa definisyon ki in travay lo la avek, an fonksyon bann Lalwa lezot pei ki’n define sa.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Georges. Onorab Basil Hoareau.

 

HON BASIL HOAREAU

Mr Chair, I mean avek tou imilite, ankor nou pe pran e espere mon pa ganny arete.  Nou pe pran from Kenya zis nou pou adopte li avek konteks Sesel, nou pou dir ‘’means information which has been correlate, evaluate and analyse and which is relevant to a governments’ decision making formulation or implementation of policy, in relation to any internal or external threat or potential threat to the security of Seychelles as well as opportunities relevant to the protection and promotion of the security of Seychelles. Zis adopte li konmsa.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok, eski i annan lagreman? Yes Onorab Pillay.

 

HON SEBASTIEN PILLAY

Petet ti ava bon azout ‘’national interest ‘akoz petet pour nou par egzanp bann threats osi ki vin dan lesans laform poaching bann zafer ki annan pou fer avek lanvironnman. Petet sekirite i deal for avek en size sekirite per se rather ki nou pa pe vreman en korpor the ‘’National interest’’ of the country.

 

MR SPEAKER

Bon ti’n fer sorti boner ki i pose security threats to the environment.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Mon konpran ki Onorab Pillay pe dir, me selman pli boner nou’n osi mete sa mo, mon pa pe mazinen ki Clause, letan pe koz lo lanvironnman ensidswit, kot konmsi in elarzi li.  Parski nou lentere dan sa Lalwa e nou ti, Minis dan son prezantasyon ti fer sa e mon osi mon ti repran kot konmsi letan i annan serten.  I mean legzanp tipik se bann lezar dan Vallee de Mai ki pe ganny vann lo internet, e ki pe ganny smuggled out.  So, mon krwar ki i deza, sa eleman i deza ladan.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Ok, mersi.  Onorab en, petet en dernyen parol pour summaries or mon a donn Minis en dernyen parol.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chair pour donn mwan sa loportinite.  Parey ou ti fer ler nou ti konmans deba lo sa Bill, mon ti ava kontan remersye Minis, Komisyoner Lapolis.  Me osi 2 dimoun ki pa la avek nou ozordi Mr Mellie ki sorti dan SPDF e Mr Barrack ki sorti Customers pour zot lasistans ki zot in donn Bills Committee dan sa travay ki zot in vwar ki en travay kolaboratif e en travay ase delika.  E i gou pou war ki avek sa kolaborasyon ki nou’n gannyen nou’n kapab anmenn en Prozedlwa devan Lasanble ki nou tou, nou kapab viv avek e ki fer nou fyer.

Donk mersi bokou Mr Chair.  Nou ava kontinyen travay lo la si zot donn nou sa lotorite, si Lasanble i donn nou sa lotorite. E fer sir ki son draf final i pran an konsiderasyon tou bann keksoz ki nou’n aprouve bomaten.  E ler i ava ganny pibliye zot ava vwar zot menm ki tousala i ava reflekte ladan. Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Georges. Mon krwar i en keksoz ki Lasanble i dakor lo la ki sa bann pti travay pou fer sir ki tou keksoz i annord e prop e kontinyen ganny fer avan the final Act i ganny gazetted. Bon mon ava donn en dernyen parol Minister Adam avan nou kapab pran en vot.  Minister.

 

MINISTER JEAN-PAUL ADAM

Mersi bokou Mr Speaker, e mersi tou Manm Onorab pour zot lentervansyon. E sa lespri kolaborasyon ki’n permet nou mon krwar anmenn en lezislasyon ki modern e ki kre en lenstitisyon ki for, ki ti touzour anliny avek lentansyon Gouvernman.  Mr Speaker zis petet avan mon al en pti pe pli lwen pour note ti annan en kestyon ki mon ti bezwen donn feedback lo la, sete lo konpozisyon.

Akoz ti annan serten, ti annan diferan sizesyon, e letan mon’n konsilte nou, ki nou kapab konstate se ki annefe, en propozisyon sete ki Vis- Prezidan i kapab osi vin en Manm, ki pa neseserman en problenm – i pa en keksoz ki Gouvernman i kont. Me nou note ki fonksyon Vis-Prezidan son pouvwar i mars ansanm avek prezidan e ki otomatikman letan Prezidan pa pou dan pei oubyen letan Prezidan pa pou disponib otomatikman Vis-Prezidan pou pran sa rol e i pou prezid sa Konsey.

Alor nou pa santi i neseser pou fer Vis-Prezidan en Manm plen, an menm tan si Lasanble i santi pou dir sa i esansyel nou pa pou dir non.  Me mon krwar donn son term senplisite e pour revwar, regard en pti pe dan sa konteks en Konsey ki baze lo konpetans teknik petet sa i pa a neseser a sa moman. Mon konnen si Mr Speaker akoz sa i en pwen ki mon ti bezwen donn en larepons lo la, ki petet mon aret la zis an ka i annan en pwen apre mon a dir en dernyen pti parol zis pou termin mon lentervansyon. Oubyen ou le mon dir mon dernyen pti mo la apre si i annan pwen dimoun ava dir.

Mr Speaker mon bokou pou dir akoz mon krwar sa ki’n sorti dan nou deba se ki i annan en konsansis, e ki nou’n ranforsi sa prensip ki Gouvernman in annan letan in vin devan avek sa Prozedlwa, se pour fer sir ki nou annan sa mwayen neseser pour nou prezerv sekirite nou pei e azir dan serten sirkonstans ki aktyelman nou annan limitasyon e sa i kre sa kad pour nou annan sa kordinasyon pour nou kapab azir.

Nou’n osi atraver nou travay ansanm nou’n ranforsi bann sofgard, nou’n ranforsi sipervizyon e sa i en keksoz ki Prezidan e Egzekitif in akey dan en fason vreman pozitif. Akoz i en travay kolaborasyon pour nou annan en Lalwa ki pa pou zis pou demen me ki pou dire e ki kree sa kad ki protez nou popilasyon e donn nou en bon baz pour lavenir a nenport ki evantyalite ki arive dan nou pei.

Mersi Speaker e mersi ankor enn fwa pour tou bann Manm Onorab e tou bann dimoun ki’n kontribye dan en fason sistematik e dan sa lespri responsabilite partaze.  Mersi bokou Mr Speaker. Mersi tou Manm Onorab.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Minis. Yes Onorab Georges.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi Mr Chair, mon pa ti anvi pran laparol ankor me e-tan-donnen ki Minis i fer en, in donn nous a repons. Mon’n fer en lamannman lo board pour dir ki se Prezidan e dan son labsans se Vis-Prezidan ki pou prezid sa Konsey e zis pou rod laprouvasyon Lasanble.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi eski i ganny agree?  Onorab Ramkalwan.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Yes, ofet sete en pe sa lespri ki nou a pe koz lo la, so lo sa pwen la i ok.  E petet Mr Chairman zis pour nou kapab osi sort out en pwen, letan nou ti pe pas Bidze i ti kler ki nou ti dir ki sa sonm ki’n ganny allocated pour National Intelligence Service i ganny sispann ziska ki Lalwa i pase.  Alors konmsi mon pe dir ki Lasanble pa bezwen retourn lo la parski i ti deza kondisyonnel.  Alors once ki sa kondisyon i ganny akonpli, alors Bidze pou sa lorganizasyon i ava osi la available.  Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Ramkalawan. Bon Lasanble i dan en pozisyon pou pran en vot lo bann amannman. Mon ava demann tou Manm ki an faver? Okenn Manm ki kont? Madanm Deputy Clerk.

 

MADAM DEPUTY CLERK

Mersi Mr Chair, mon’n rikord 21 Manm ki’n vot an faver e personn kont. Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi savedir Bill ki mannyer in ganny amande in ganny aprouve par Lasanble Nasyonal.  Mon ava demann Sargent pou move Mace.  E nou retourn dan Committee of the whole House, mon ava demann en Mosyon pour 3rd Reading.

 

HON CHARLES DE COMMARMOND

Mersi Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker anba Order 71 (1) nou Standing Order mon le move ki the Seychelles Intelligence Bill 2018 as amended, i ganny lir en Trwazyenm Fwa.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab De Commarmond.  Okenn Manm ki segonde?  Onorab Simon Gill.

 

HON SIMON GILL

Mr Speaker mersi. Mosyon i ganny segonde parey in ganny prezante.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Onorab Simon Gill. Nou kapab pran en vot.  Tou Manm ki an faver? Okenn Manm ki kont?  Madanm Deputy Clerk

 

MADAM DEPUTY CLERK

Mersi Mr Speaker.  24 Manm in vot an faver e personn kont. Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi Madanm Deputy Clerk. Mon kapab ganny en Formal Third Reading.

 

MADAM DEPUTY CLERK

This Act may be cited as a Seychelles Intelligence Service Act 2018 and shall come into operation on such date as the President may by notice published in the Gazette appoint.  Mersi

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi, Madanm Deputy Clerk. Savedir SIS Bill 2018 in ganny aprouve par Lasanble Nasyonal.  Bon mon ti a kontan osi remersi tou bann Manm, espesyalman Chair Bills Committee ki’n fer en gro travay nou vreman apresye.  Mon ti a kontan osi remersye Minis, Attorney Generale, Komisyoner, Mr Vidot e ankor nou mazin Mr Mellie e Mr Barak.  E osi Mr Victor Pool ki’n asiste nou dan sa prosedir.  Mon pa pour eskiz Minis nou ava fer en sel adjournment ansanm akoz nou letan.

Mon pe zis ankor remind bann Manm ki rankont avek sa lekip OECD se 2.30 prezan pa 2 er – 2.30 e nou pour rankontre the Committee Rm 3.

Bon nou’n, mon’n aprann osi tou ki sa Bill, sa lot siplemanter 87million in fini ganny Gazetted.  Nou pe regarde ki si nou kapab ozordi menm nou ava fer sirkiler avek bann Manm. E i ava vin lo Revised Order Paper pour Lendi, well pa Revised Order Paper, i ava vin lo Order Paper ansanm avek sa enn ki deza la pour Second Reading pour Lendi kot nou a kapab fer First and Second Reading ansanm.

E parey mon dir nou bi se Lendi nou kapab close the Assembly pour Recess. Bon avek sa mwan kapab dir nou remersi SBC osi tou, sorry pour donn nou en pti extra half an hour ozordi.  Bon nou adjourn Lasanble e nou repran nou travay Lendi 9 er bomaten.

 

(ADJOURNMENT)