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Wednesday 16th December 2009

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NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF SEYCHELLES

Wednesday 16th December 2009

The Assembly met at 9 am

National Anthem

Mr Speaker in the Chair

 

MR SPEAKER

Bonzour tou bann manm Lasanble Nasyonal, bonzour Minis ek son lekip. Nou ava kontinyen avek nou travay. Nou a pran lot Bill ki loOrder Paper e sa se Seychelles Business Number Bill 2009. Mon a ganny mwan en motion for second reading.

 

HON MARIE-LOUISE POTTER

Mr Speaker mon move ki Seychelles Business Number Bill 2009 i ganny lir en dezyenm fwa.

 

MR SPEAKER

Okenn ki segonde.

 

HON ANDRE POOL

Mr Speaker mon pou segonde.

MR SPEAKER

Mon a demann Minis pou entrodwir son Bill silvouple.

 

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Bonzour tou-l-monn. Mr Speaker mon ti a kontan ki Lasanble i regard sa proze de lwa ki devan nou anlinny avek sa reform ki gouvernman pe antreprann an sa ki konsern tax.

Zot ava rapel ki Lasanble yer ti aprouv kreasyon Komisyon Reveni enn bann sanzman fondamantal dan sa nouvo lotorite, se ki i sel lotorite dezormen ki pou kolekte bann fees, reveni peyman lo lapar lezot entity ki nou annan. E pou nou kapab fer sa i enportan i dezormen ki nou annan en mekanizm dan lekel tou bann tranzaksyon ki pe ganny fer avek gouvernman, nou annan sa ki nou apel Seychelles Business Number. Mon krwar sa i en fason tre smart dan lafason ki Revenue Commission i anvi fer son travay e i pou osi fasilit bokou tranzaksyon parmi bann antite ant sekter biznes avek gouvernman. Mon ti a osi kontan ki nou vwar dan sa proze de lwa ki devan nou, nou annan 18 mwan ki devan nou pour nou kapab prepar lentrodiksyon pou en VAT ki pou arive aparti Zanvye 2012, e tousala i dan sa lobtik.

Donk atraver kreasyon en Seychelles Business Number sak biznes li i pou ganny li en unique number, savedir en unique number ki zis li ki pou annan, e sa register, nou pou annan nou en register kot nou pou anrezistre tou bann business number e lalwa pe fer provizyon pou nou annan en Registrar, e lalwa i dir ki Registrar ki pou gard the Register kot nou annan tou bann konpannyen ki pou ganny donnen en business number se Komisyoner Reveni  ki pou Registrar anba sa lalwa. Donk mon krwar lalwa, an bref lefe ki nou pe operate dan en nouvo klima lefe ki nou pe moderniz lekonomi, lefe ki nou anvi fasilit tranzaksyon bann biznes ant gouvernman nou pe kree en business number pour sak bann operater, bann antite biznes dan Sesel, e sak antite pou annan li sa ki nou apel en unique number. Prezan lalwa i fer provizyon pou sa mekanizm pour nou kapab regulate, savedir lalwa i dir ki nou bezwen annan en Registrar ki okip sa tranzaksyon anterm loperasyon e i bezwen annan li en register pou nou fer li. E lalwa i dir ki si zanmen i annan okenn biznes ki rankontre problenm oubyen ki i met son lekor dan problenm parey nou ti koz lo la yer e nou pou koz lo la ozordi koman parti bann nouvo lalwa ki nou pe kree, nou pou osi annan sa ki nou apel en revenue tribunal savedir si komisyoner i pran en desizyon e ou santi ki ou’n ganny afekte mon krwar ou pou toultan annan rekour atraver the tribunal pou ou kapab sort sa out.

Donk pou mwan Mr Speaker i en zouti, i en nouvo zouti, en zouti modern dan en lepok kot nou pe koz bokou lo lenformasyon teknolozik ki nou kapab olye kontinyen fer bann keksoz manual mon krwar nou servi sa nouvo devlopman dan domenn teknolozi pour nou kapab avans sa proze dan en fason tre dinamik pourki mon krwar nou tou nou ava vwar son benefis.

Mon soumet sa dezyenm proze de lwa pour latansyon e aprouvasyon nou Lasanble Nasyonal. Mersi Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Deba i ouver okenn ki oule entervenir. Onorab Rose.

 

HON MARIE-ANTOINETTE ROSE

Mr Speaker mon pou swiv mon lentervansyon kot Minis in terminen. Sa proze de lwa ki devan nou i annan pour bi met en uniform, en sistenm uniform dan lafason ki biznes i ganny fer dan Sesel. Ozordi mon mazinen sak biznes i annan ape pre 3 a 4 nimero idantite i annan petet en nimero ler zot anrezistre koman en biznes, i annan en lot nimero kot licensing si i annan en licence, e i annan en nimero kot mon mazinen social security ler i pey pou bann travayer. E sa i fer ki i annan serten biznes ki kapab ler i deklar kot social security i pa neseserman anlinny avek kot son biznes, anlinny avek taks ki i peye. E sa Seychelles Business Number Bill sa proze de lwa ki devan nou i pou fer ki tou biznes i annan en sel nimero e ler zot al pey dan menm landrwa tou zot bann peyman i annord.

Mr Speaker sa proze de lwa pou osi, mon mazinen parey Minis in dir, grade lafason e fer li vin elektronik lanrezitreman bann biznes. Ozordi i annan en kantite konplent, i annan en kantite problenm e bann avoka i konn sa tre byen. I annan bokou dimoun ler zot anrezistre zot biznes i pran 3, 4 mwan i annan en kantite difikilte e i en sistenm ki slow akoz i pa neseserman ki tou rikord i byen e ki tou rikord i elektronik. E sa sistenm sa proze de lwa si nou pas li pou fors tou sistenm al elektronik e tou bann diferan departman ozordi ki sakenn pe operate lo zot menm avek diferan lalwa pou bezwen dezorme swiv menm lalwa, menm prosedir e menm sistenm e sa i devret fer keksoz bokou, bokou pli fasil.

Sa proze de lwa ki devan nou i dan lentere tou le de parti. I dan lentere bann biznes, e i dan lentere gouvernman. I fer ki bann biznes pou vwar li bokou pli fasil ler zot deal avek bann seksyon gouvernman parey registration, parey licensing, parey social security e parey Seychelles Revenue Commission konmela.

Ozordi biznes i bezwen vwar li pe al 3, 4 landrwa preski tou le mwan e sa i pou fer li bokou pli fasil pou zot, i annan en sel nimero e zot provide en sel nimero dan en sel landrwa.

I dan lentere gouvernman osi akoz i pou fer li pli fasil pour gouvernman prezan kapab ranmas reveni dan en fason pli annord, dan en fason pli byen.

Kestyon ki mon annan lo sa proze de lwa ki mon krwar piblik petet i devret ganny kler se ki pou rol, en pti pe pli kler, ki pou rol registration section ladan. Minis in dir ki se the Revenue Commissioner ki pou issue sa nimero alors mwan mon anvi konnen ki pou rol the registration section ennfwa ki sa lalwa i vin an mars.

Mr Speaker parey mon’n dir finalman sa lalwa i swiv bokou lalwa ki nou’n pase sa semenn e bokou lalwa ki’n ganny pase sa lannen. E mon krwar finalman nou pe vwar ki tou keksoz pe tonm enpe anplas e in annan rezon akoz bann lalwa ki’n pase in vin avan enn a lot. Yer par egzanp sa lalwa lo Revenue Commission in pave the way pourki sa enn ki nou pe koz lo la ozordi i tonm anlinny. I pou fer sir parey mon’n dir ki tou bann mayon i zwenn e fasilit lavi sekter prive osi byen ki gouvernman. Mersi.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mr Speaker mon ti anvi koz en pti pe lo enn de pwen teknik not on the general merits mon demann mwan si mon pa devret fer sa enpe plitar olye la, unless ki napa lezot dimoun pou koze.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mon napa okenn lezot entervenan, apart ki Onorab Derjacques la fek lev lanmen. Non basically kwa zot ti annan.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Committee Stage Amendments.

 

MR SPEAKER

Major amendments.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Tiny ki mon fek vwar.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mon pa konnen i ok ek le de leaders. Si i minor mon a rule lo la, mon a gete.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi. Mr Speaker eskiz mwan me avek sa kantite lalwa devan nou mon pa’n verifye the main point ki mon ti anvi raise e mon fek al verifye li la pou fer sir ki mon ti annan rezon, e annefe mon ti annan rezon.

Anba clause 2 paz 9 little 1 (9) definition of entity (d) a body politic. Mon krwar sa ki zot anvi dir se a political party. A body politic means the state, the country, the body politic of Seychelles is the nations state of Seychelles comprising all it’s citizens. Mon fek tyek sa dan diksyonner Lasanble e mon pa krwar ki nou anvi ki leta Sesel i annan en limero, sertennman mwan mon pa anfaver sa. If we mean a political party then let’s just say it, a political party. Clerk pe rod a Political Parties Act pou mwan verifye how it’s defined there me mon plis ki sir it’s defined as political party and not a body politic. Size sa lentansyon we’ll need to review that.

MR SPEAKER

Ki clause sa silvouple.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Clause 2 definition of entity page ix (d). Page 9  – ix, sa se en premye pwen. Clause 2, page 9 defintion of entity paragraph (d).

Sa ti mon premye pti pwen, Roman ix..

 

(Interruption)

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mon next pti pwen i vin lo clause 7(2) minor little thing, page xiv   7(2) for the avoidance of doubts in the singular, si nou regard anler 5(2) nou vwar that’s how it’s should be spelt this is a typo.

Next clause 17, page 21.. Clause 17(1) dan dezyenm lalinny the second word register should be Registrar, minor amendment ‘if the Registrar is satisfied that’ not the register. Mersi.

17(1) same clause (e), the entity is likely to engage in similar conduct in the foreseeable future. Manyer drafte in ganny fer nou vwar ki (a), (b), (c)  are alternative akoz i annan en or (a) (b),(c),(d) i alternative me (e) i cumulative akoz i annan en and apre (d) which means that (e) refers to(a), (b), (c) and (d) I don’t think it should, (e) should refer to (d) the entity has benn convicted of an offense involving a fraudulent use and is likely to engage in a similar conduct. I pa kapab par egzanp the entity is no longer entitled to have an SBN anba (c) and is likely to engage in similar conduct, eksetera. E mon krwar ki nou devret revwar sa. Mwan mon pe propoze ki (d) and (e) are merged, e si i pa sa lentansyon well we need to relook at ki manyer nou fer rantre (e) akoz i pa en stand alone para.

Lo sanmenm sa pwen Minis ava ed mwan si all entities ki anvi en number applied anba clause – right at the beginning  -they apply for the number it’s by application under part 4, clause 8 ou apply. Be si ou aret fer sa biznes, if you go out of business and you no longer need a number, mon ti ava ekspekte ki ou ti a kapab unapplied as it were, demann tir ou lo lalis number e si Minis i krwar ki 17(1)(c) i kouver sa, ki you no longer entitled to have a number akoz ou’n aret business, then that satisfies me. Me mon anvi ki nou fer en pti refleksyon lo la.

Mr Speaker that’s about it, avek regre ki mon pa’n ganny letan donn formal notice. Antretan Clerk in donn mwan the Political Parties Registration Act, e wi, napa body politic ladan, it’s political party, political party is defined as a combination of persons constituted themselves for political purpose e non pa body politic. Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mon krwar Minis ou ava pran en desizyon apre lo sa bann zafer. Onorab Derjacques.

 

HON ANTHONY DERJACQUES

Mr Speaker mon bezwen fer en komanter koman en dimoun ki toultan tre konsernen ki konstitisyon nou pei i ganny obzerve, e menm yer nou ti koz lo confidentiality avek lekel ki devret annan akse lenformasyon lo en endividi, en lakonpanni, en partnership, en nenport biznes ki anrezistre Sesel.

Sa lalwa i aplik parey seksyon 3(1) i dir it’s a form of registering businesses, savedir i kouver tou biznes Sesel e anba seksyon 5(2) i kouver providing services in Seychelles and carrying enterprise in Seychelles. Savedir i fer li kler ki i pe kouver tou bann aktivite biznes, lantrepriz, komersyal isi Sesel.

Mon konsern i vize – nou note ki the Revenue Commissioner limenm li Registrar of the Seychelles Business Register, savedir nou pe koz menm dimoun, e nou pe koz tou son aktivite savedir koman Revenue Commissioner. Deza nou’n vwar dan lot schedule i kouver tou sorti from tax, licensing, pensions, social security, savedir dan son lanmen i annan en kantite, en ta, ek en pake lo tou dimoun Sesel. E i annan sa kantite lenformasyon an referans en aktivite pli enportan ki manyer nou viv, ki manyer nou raise nou larzan, ki manyer nou depans nou larzan, e i kapab annan lenformasyon kote nou kont i ete, tou keksoz.

Mwan toultan mon kontan ki en dimoun, e dan sa Act nou apel li the entrusted person under section 30(2) the entrusted person. Mon kontan ki sa dimoun pa pou disclose okenn lenformasyon avek lorgann leta eksepte si i annan en court order ouswa en warant. E ler ou kontinyen ou lir 30(4)(i) ou vwar ki the entrusted person is the Registrar and the disclosure is, savedir i annan drwa donn lenformasyon Chief Executive en Government Agency for carrying out functions conferred on the agency by law, savedir la in fini fer kler, i kouver tou la, NDA, lapolis, FIU, tou nenport ki kapab ganny kree menm a lavenir menm intelligence service, Seychelles Intelligence Service ki’n fek ganny kree State House, i kontinyen. Sa lenformasyon i kapab ganny donnen any person for the purpose of that other person carrying out functions under a revenue law – savedir i kouver tou, i kouver okenn zofisye anba pension, social security, duty tou. Kontinyen anba subsection (v) the head (however described) of a body established for a public purpose by or under a law for the purpose of carrying out functions conferred on the body. Sa i telman vag, telman ouver, ou kapab zis pas en pti lalwa kree en body ki annan en purpose vag e sa body i annan drwa annan nenport lenformasyon lo tou biznes ek ou aktivite. E mon note ki anba 3, ler ou mont anler, en court of law sa i ok akoz i bezwen annan en ruling, en keksoz me selman ki mon pe alert e ki mon pe montre mon worry, anba i montre ankor a prescribed body, savedir ankor any prescribed body under a regulation i annan akse avek tou sa lenformasyon ki sa Registrar ki limenm li sa Revenue Commissioner i annan e dan son posesyon e son bann lenformasyon i ganny gide under section 25(3) i kouver tou, son non, son number, date of registration, full details and it is full details of it’s principal place of business, authorized persons postal address – konmsi ki mon pe sey dir ki mwan mon ti ava’n prefere ki nou konstitisyon i dir ki tou dimoun i annan en drwa privacy e sa i pou en bon rezon, nou pa kontan intrusive government, nou pa kontan big government annefe zot in adopte sa prensip, nou bezwen clean lean government, government ki fer transparency, ki act under good governance. Be la i annan sa danze anba sa Act, sa Act i kolekte nimero, probably i pou al lo computer i pou annan electronic form e i totalman ouver to any public organ sa lenformasyon. E si sa i nou bi e si nou pe realiz sa nou go ahead nou vote selman mon pe sey dir zot ki sa i tir tou proteksyon, tou confidentiality, tou secrecy e pa bezwen en warant ni en court order. Mersi Mr Speaker.

 

HON JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI

Mon ti anvi zis demann Minis brievman, bonzour tou-l-monn. Eski under short title and commencement, the Act shall be deemed to have come into operation on 1st of December 2009? Or have we got 1st January 2010. Thank you that was the only point. Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Minis reply.

 

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Mr Speaker premyerman mon ti a kontan remersye tou bann erntervenan lo sa proze de lwa ki devan nou. An sa ki konsern pwen ki’n ganny souleve par Onorab Derjacques, mon krwar sa ki enportan se ki i enportan pour nou konpran the operations pou mwan kapab adres sa lenkyetid. Lalwa pe dir ki nou devret annan en rezis e sel dimoun ki annan lotorite lo sa rezis se en Registrar, the Registrar se the Commissioner of Revenue. Prezan i annan lenformasyon, i annan lenformasyon lo plizyer biznes, prezan lalwa pe dir ki bann dimoun ki pe travay anterm loperasyon, ki annan access avek lenformasyon lo bann biznes zot pa kapab devwal sa lenformasyon, a tou moman, nou pe protez secrecy, nou pe protez biznes, prezan lalwa i dir anba 30 kot Onorab in fer sorti in dir a ki moman ki sa bann lenformasyon i kapab ganny devwale e mon krwar premyerman nou asir Lasanble ki pou annan tou proteksyon avek tou lenformasyon e si zot in ekout mwan byen ler Komisyon Reveni i donn en biznes en nimero, ou nimero i unique, napa personn ankor ki pou annan sa nimero unless parey Onorab Georges in dir under 17(c) ki sa nimero i kapab ganny tire si ou deside retir ou dan biznes, zis ou ki pou annan sa unique number. Nou vwar sa, me si dizon ou unique number ki zis ou ki annan koman en biznes in ganny devwale Revenue Commission ki nou ti desid lo la yer i en lofans sever lo la savedir nou deal avek sa zofisye ki devwal sa lenformasyon, either sa dimoun ki pe handle sa file oubyen sa dimoun ki annan lakle lo sa software me an prensip nou premye depar se protez tou lenformasyon biznes, se pa devwal lenformasyon akoz i dan lentere leta ki dimoun i fer son biznes dan en fason byen tout an konfidansyalite me your unique number i pe serve en purpose pou revenue e si i annan detrwa dimoun ki pe fer biznes dan Sesel ilegalman ou pe peye, mon konnen mwan, mon a donn en legzanp si demen anba bann threshold ki nou annan dan gouvernman Minister Finans li akoz i annan serten threshold ki ou pa bezwen al devan tender board me i annan travay ki bezwen ganny fer e sa travay i kout SR25 mil e nou bezwen withhold at source, pa vre? Lalwa i dir sa en travay ki’n ganny fer.

Me sistenm pou pik ki sa dimoun ki’n fer en travay avek Minister Finans i pa pe fer en travay dan en fason ki byen savedir nou anvi ki tou dimoun i travay dan en sistenm legal ki byen se sa ki nou pe fer. Nou pa pou konnen nou koman Minister, nou pa pou konnen nou me sel antite ki pou konn sa se reveni e reveni li  bezwen fer sir ki nou operate dan limit kot lalwa i konsernen.

Donk mon ti a kontan reasir Onorab Derjacques ki sa in ganny mete dan lalwa avek 2 bi, enn protez tou sours lenformasyon, e anba sa menm Minis Finans mon napa naryen pou fer avek sa bann nimero, i pa mon biznes sa i operational issues, i pa konsern mwan. Mwan sa ki konsern mwan se polisi, direksyon polisi dan taks sa i operation for the purpose ki i pe kolekte reveni e fer sir ki tou dimoun ki dan biznes an sa ki konsern zot taks ensideswit keksoz i ganny fer dan en fason ki korek. Sa ti en komanter lo lenkyetid ki Onorab Derjacques in met devan nou.

 

HON ANTHONY DERJACQUES

… (Off mic). i dir ki is protected apre i donn ou kategori anba 30(4) it’s not an offense under subsection 2 ki ou’n fek koz lo la if any of the following conditions apply to the recording or disclosure apre i donn ou 3 landrwa kot ou Minis ou kapab  ganny tou lenformasyon ki Revenue Commissioner i annan. Savedir nou bezwen trust sa bann travayer revenue e li i pa bezwen en warant, ni en court order pou donn, ou departman e tou departman gouvernman.

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

A head of any government branch, annou pran National Arts Council, the head i pou annan en nimero li, i en regulatory body zot konpran sa, i fer biznes li osi, i provide en service. Demen nou annan en problenm nou kapab at least submit sa lenformasyon to the head of sa bann entities. Parey zot konnen the Principal Secretaries, bann Accounting Officers zot osi i annan serten CEO’s ki pe fer en aktivite, en servis ki ganny peye, zot tou zot bezwen ganny anrezistre koman en antite gouvernman. Me selman si i annan bann ka, Onorab Derjacques kot lalwa pe dir kot lenformasyon i bezwen ganny disclose i zis ki i pe dir dan ki sirkonstans sa bann lenformasyon pou kapab ganny disclose, i pa vedir koman ou ganny anrezistre ou bezwen disclose tou sa bann lenformasyon avek Minis Finans, par egzanp, i zis bann sirkonstans kot sa bann lenformasyon i kapab ganny disclose. Sa i klarifikasyon ki mon ti a kontan fer sorti me mon ti a kontan reiterate ki sa nou bezwen regard li dan sa loptik kot nou premyerman nou protez lenformasyon, tou lenformasyon i ganny proteze e sel lotorite ki annan 100% proteksyon lo lenformasyon se reveni, Commissioner of Revenue.

Lot pwen ki Onorab Georges in fer sorti, bann pwen minor amendment nou take on board sof nou annan en diferans dan enterpretasyon a body politic, a political party i en statutory body li. Advise ki mon pe gannyen la se a body politic i kapab include a foreign government, that is rezon akoz in ganny met la e i pa tous gouvernman koman en leta ki bezwen en number.

Otherwise Mr Speaker mon krwar nou kler, it is a straight forward one e mon ti a demann tou bann manm pou siport li. Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Nou ava pran en vot lo merit e deba zeneral. Tou bann ki an faver, inanim. Okenn ki kont? Enn i kont alright, Onorab Derjacques in vot kont. Mon a ganny en formal second reading.

 

ACTING CLERK

A Bill of an act to establish a Register of Seychelles Business to enable the issuing of Seychelles Business Numbers to eligible entities and for related purposes.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mon a ganny en mosyon pou nou sot staz komite.

 

HON   POTTER

Msye Speaker mon move anba order 91(1) pou nou sot order 65 to 70 anvi  napa nesesite pou al dan staz komite.

 

HON ANDRE POOL

Mon segonde Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Tou bann ki an faver, ok. Mon a ganny en motion for third reading.

 

HON   POTTER

Ki Seychelles Business Number Bill 2009 i ganny lir en trwazyenm fwa.

 

HON ANDRE POOL

Motion seconded Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Nou pran en vot lo la. Tou bann ki an faver, okenn ki kont. eksepte Onorab Derjacques, tou  i an faver. Mon a ganny en third reading.

 

 

 

 

ACTING CLERK

This Act may be cited as the Seychelles Business Number Act 2009.

 

MR SPEAKER

Bill in pase. Lo Order Paper nou dwatet pe pran Business Tax Bill me gouvernman in demande ki zot pran sa 11er anvi en pti problenm teknik, nou ava al lo sa Excise Tax Bill e ler nou retournen apre break nou a pran Business Tax Bill. So mon a demann Minis pou entrodwir son Excise Tax Bill.

 

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Mr Speaker trwazyenm Bill.

 

MR SPEAKER

Minis hold on, mon a ganny mwan en motion for second reading.

 

HON   POTTER

Mr Speaker mon move ki Excise Tax Bill 2009 i ganny lir en dezyenm fwa.

 

MR SPEAKER

Okenn ki segonde.

 

HON ANDRE POOL

Mon segonde Mr Speaker.

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Mersi Mr Speaker. Trwazyenm Bill ki mon pe met devan Lasanble pour laprouvasyon nou Lasanble Nasyonal se en nouvo proze de lwa ki apel Excise Tax.

Sa Bill i annan pou bi entrodwir en rezim Excise Tax dan Sesel. Koman parti nou progranm reform ekonomik, Sesel i bezwen alinny li avek bann pratik enternasyonal e prepar li pou onor son bann langazman enternasyonal vizavi tax custom atraver en revizyon lo to taks lo lenportasyon.

Pour komanse sa Excise Tax pou kouver parey mon ti enform zot an le 30 Novanm 4 sekter prensipal reveni, sa se karbiran, veikil, lalkol, e sigaret. Avek sa Excise Tax nou pou vwar en nivo standar ki pou ganny aplike lo sa bann lartik ki swa enporte ouswa prodwir lokalman, parey i leka ozordi. En taks pou ganny mete lo serten prodwir ki nou enporte me ki annan son ekivalan lokal afen ki nou protez enpe prodiksyon lokal. Malgre ki sa Excise Tax pou ganny aplike ansanm avek Trades Tax lo marsandiz enporte, sa taks pa pou plis ki ler ti annan zis Trades Tax, annefe pour loto, bis ek moter par egzanp sa konbinezon Excise Tax ek Trades Tax pou pli ba ki ler ti annan zis Trades Tax.

Sa Bill ki devan nou Lasanble Nasyonal i annan osi bann schedules ki nou pou pibliye atraver regulation. Dan premye schedule pou lenformasyon nou Lasanble pou annan detay sa 4 komodite ki mon’n fek mansyonnen. E nou pou osi pibliy son nivo to tariff ki pou ganny aplike.

An sa ki konsern prodwir karbiran, lalkol, sigaret, lentrodiksyon en Excise Tax pa pou fer monte okenn pri e proteksyon kont lenportasyon pou kontinyen parey i leka ozordi. Pou veikil parey mon ti dir dan mon ladres bidze taks lo loto prive pou desann tandis ki taks lo veikil komersyal ki deza ba pou reste parey.

An sa ki kosnern son dezyenm schedule, sa Bill i annan en lalis exemption ki pou parey sa ki egziste ozordi anba lezislasyon Tade Tax e GST, pourki nou annan en lapros konsistan pareyman, par egzanp lentrodiksyon sa Excise Tax pa pou afekte allowance duty free ki dimoun i kapab rantre avek dan Sesel apre en vwayaz.

Mr Speaker parey mon’n dir nou pe finaliz tou bann lenformasyon an sa ki konsern  premye schedule avek dezyenm schedule. Ennfwa ki Lasanble Nasyonal i aprouv lalwa ki devan nou, nou ava pibliy bann regilasyon pou lenformasyon tou nou popilasyon e Lasanble Nasyonal. Mersi Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Deba i ouver, okenn ki oule entervenir. Onorab Ferrari.

 

HON JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI

Mon ti a kontan ki Minis i pran sa lokazyon pour li expand enpe lo sa statement ki in fer konmkwa sa Excise Tax i pou ed biznes oubyen i kapab ed manufacturing sector.

Mwan e nou lo sa kote latab nou enpe enkyet, nou konpran ki avek sanzman dan ki manyer bann taks pe ganny levied nou bezwen met Excise Tax pou balans avek Trades Tax ki egziste, sa mon napa problenm lo la. Nou problenm pe vin lo the rates ki pou ganny mete me sirtou lo ki manyer sa pou ede ankouraz biznes lokalman oubyen i kapab annan son lefe lenvers dekouraz biznes. Minis in dir ki i pa pou sanze pour le moman, antouka lo sa 4 prodwir apard transpor kot in eksplik nou lo sa 3 prodwir petroleum, lalkol avek sigaret i pa pe sanze.

Mon ti a kontan submit avek Minis ki deza manufacturing dan lalkol avek soft drinks isi Sesel i anba presyon enorm e mon pa anvi vin advocate Seychelles Breweries isi dan sa Lasanble me mon pe vin advocate bann pansyonner ki annan 30% zot larzan dan Seychelles Breweries, se la kot mon konsern i ete e mwan mon ti a kontan vwar ki sa bann pansyonner ki annan zot larzan laba e bann travayer Seychelles Breweries finalman avek  lenpozisyon sa nouvo Excise Tax zot kapab operate dan en lanvironnman pli friendly e pli favorab pou sofgard reveni pou pension fund, enn e sofgard sa zouti travay ki sa brewery i pe donn mon krwar ant 150 a 200 Seselwa.

Nou lenkyetid isi lo sa kote latab se ki gouvernman ki opouvwar ozordi in fer nou konpran when you read between the lines ki nou lekonomi i annan gran sans ki i vin en lekonomi baze lo lenportasyon added value e revann  atraver lendistri touris, sa se bann statements ki ti ganny fer dan bann deklarasyon Prezidan La Repilbik enpe letan pase. Lenkyetid i tre, tre for deor pou bann manufacturing sector. E ler Minis i dir avek nou ki napa nanryen ki pou sanze atraver sa bann rates i pe osi dir nou ki napa okenn amelyorasyon pour sa sekter.

Mwan mon tann en son laklos, e sa son laklos i sorti kot bann manufacturers ki enkyet pou lavenir zot prodiksyon. Mwan mon ti a kontan tann prezan lo kote Minister Finans si i zistifye sa bann kritik ki pe ganny fer, sa bann lenkyetid e si in annan atraver sa nouvo rezim taks, i annan bann mezir ki  pe ganny met anplas avek bi, avek konsyans ki sa bann sekter se bann sekter ki kree lanplwa, e eski gouvernman pe met en zefor ladan pou fer sir ki lanplwa e prodiksyon lokal i ganny sofgarde akoz tax measures i kapab ankouraze oubyen dekouraz en sekter.

Alors mwan mon kestyon i en kestyon zeneral e mon ti a kontan ki Minis i kapab pronons li lo la. Mersi.

 

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

Mon ti pe zis get seksyon 5(1), i kler ki excise tax ki pou dan schedule 1 i specify the rate of excise tax paid lo sa bann goods, excisable goods. Dan 5(1)(a) i koz lo if goods are imported the CIF value, cost insurance freight, apre 5(1)(b) i koz lo son fair market value. E eski Minis pa konsidere ki ti ava pli bon pou konsomater ki akoz en kantite nou bann goods i vin par avyon osi e sa i fer li abnormalman ser deza son cost insurance freight, eski nou pa ti kapab regard ki by sea ki vin pli cheap konpare avek by air ki vin bokou pli ser ki pou air nou kategoriz FOB olye CIF e pou lanmer oke i en pti pe pli bon marse apre zot kapab vin dan bann containers e zot ganny kalkile diferaman. Pour sea nou get CIF, konmsi pou bann emergency goods ki dan sa bann schedule nou kapab ganny at least en pti reduction dan pri ler excise tax i mwens ultimately for the consumer, savedir mon pe koz zis air freight, olye met air freight CIF parey cargo by sea.

Prezan lot seksyon 5(1)(b) Commission Revenue pou takse a son diskresyon lo what he considers the fair market value be sa i annan son konponan profi, fair market value i include tou keksoz goodwill, profit i annan bann lezislasyon bann ka lo la ki deza defini  ki si sa son fair market value espesyalman ler ou get anba bann ka cases of Land Registration Act kot ler gouvernman i pran pou gete, i bezwen rann ou konpansasyon based on it’s fair market value. Alor i annan tou sa bann konponan ki include, profi, ki grander ou market, konbyen larzan alafen, detail wholesale, availability. Akoz nou pa tir fair market value e nou met manufacturing costs, ti ava bokou pli ba ki ti ava tir kantmenm en 15%, si nou ekspekte 15% profi lo en goods e i ti ava fer ki keksoz osi ti ava desann son pri isi Sesel, excise tax would be payable selman lo manufacturing costs ki sa i ganny work out between commission of revenue ek sa lendistri e i ti ava benefis nou tou, e i ti a kouver sa ki Minis i dir met zonm osant devlopman. Mersi Mr Speaker.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Bonzour Mr Speaker, bonzour Minis, bonzour tou-l-monn.

Mr Speaker en remark tre kourt mon osi tou mon enpe konsernen konsernan pour nou bann manufacturing lokal parski finalman sa ki pe arive, letan in dir pou tir GST lo bann matyer premyer ki zot enporte me ki sa GST i ava ganny azoute …. -vizavi Seybrew, Seybrew i deza pa pe peye GST letan i pe enport son bann matyer premye e i pe azout sa GST letan i pe vann li. So i en lenstans kot letan nou servi sa legzanp laplenn pa nivo, la i en legzanp ki montre ou kot en laplenn pa ti nivo kot serten ti pe gannyen e lezot pa ti pe ganny menm lavantaz.

Parey mon pe dir mon konsernen e mon’n vwar ki poudir dan le pase, well la aktyelman gouvernman ti’n deside met en levy paregzanp lo lavyann ki ganny enporte avek bi protez bann keksoz lokal me nou konnen ki poudir at the end of the day still menm si i annan sa, i annan bann landrwa Brazil kot i annan en kantite poul kot ozordi pe sorti Brazil ki bon marse, ki tou e alors i still donn sa fermye lokal en konpetisyon ki i pa pour kapab deal avek e finalman i pou bezwen fermen.

Mon pe vwar ki  nou sa ki pou konsern nou direkteman se parski nou pa fer loto isi, nou pa fer fuel me lalkol avek sigaret i sa 2 prensipal e vi ki sosyete limenm li nou annan en lager ki nou’n deklare kont sigaret paregzanp, e pour nou kominote en lot lager enportan ki nou pou bezwen anmennen se kont lalkol akoz ozordi ou pase, ennler ou trouv bann ki dan boutey zonn, enn ki dan boutey rouz, lot, tou kalite, tyomityo, lot zafer, tou sa bann deal e prezan, windowlin tou, mon krwar i annan enn ki appel windowlin, tou sa bann keksoz. E aprezan  letan ou pe regard lalkol ki pe rantre, ozordi en can heiniken i plizoumwen menm pri avek en Seybrew. Letan ou pe dir plizoumwen en SR5 diferans tandis ki kot oparavan i ti R15, SR20  diferans.

So Mr Speaker mon repran pwen Onorab Ferrari konsernan bann travayer kot Seybrew ensidswit, eski Minis pe dir avek nou ki kot lalkol i konsernen paregzanp sa excise tax e mon’n remarke ki poudir sa i en lot kestyon ki mon anvi demann li akoz ki vi ki la pour le moman in fini konnen ki poudir i annan sa 4 items mon trouve ki schedule one i ankor vid, konmsi mon ti ava ekspekte ki vi ki ou’n fini konn sa 4 items ki alors sa 4 ti a’n deza la ek son rates of excise tax kot kimannyer i pou ete. Eski i pou menm rate, i pou zis ganny konsider lalkol ki ganny manufactured locally, ki i  ganny enporte, son tax i pou absoliman parey. Mon ti ava kontan konn sa parski ankor ennfwa i annan, I’m sure Mr Speaker Minis in bezwen dekouver e nou tou ki la dan sa Lasanble nou’n dekouver ki i annan en vre konsern vizavi sa zafer GST e vizavi bann dimoun ki dan manufacturing.  Mwan paregzanp – mon a zis donn ou en lot legzanp, i kler ki ozordi en koudriyez ki dan biznes fer rido, i dan en konpetisyon enorm parski dimoun pe enport rido ready made sorti Pakistan, Lenn, e son rate of duty ki li i peye, letan in fini pey tou sala, sa dimoun ki pe koud rido si i anvi viv lo la i pou trouv li ekstrememan difisil.  I pa pour kapab. La paregzanp la si la ozordi le 16 mon anvi rido nef pour mon lakaz, mon al kot en koudriyez, premyerman i pa pour kapab deliver sa avan nwel me tandis ki mon al la dan laboutik mon aste sa ki’n fini tou sa bann zafer, in fini oke.

So menm si sa excise tax i pou deal parey ou’n dir Minis dan premye lenstans vizavi sa 2, mon krwar ki anmenmtan, mon krwar i enportan pour nou adres sa konsern lo manufacturing an zeneral dan nou pei e menm si mon 100% – mon respekte dimoun ki fimen, me selman mon 100% kont sigaret, e lalkol en lot zafer, labi, mon kont labi me  mon krwar ki nou bezwen regarde kimanyer bann dimoun lokalman ki dan sa biznes i ganny proteze e anmenmtan osi lo lot kote, mwan mon ti ava eksprim en konsern e mon krwar ki wi, i annan tou sa bann zafer, tou sa bann diferan boutey dan diferan kouler ki pe ganny met lo market  e mon krwar anmenmtan osi ki si nou pe koz lo excise tax nou bezwen osi koz lo kalite sa bann prodwir ki pe vin lo marse, parski mon krwar byento nou met petrol dan boutey e nou met en pti tentir ladan e nou pou vann li koman lalkol e apre nou pou kontplent ki poudir nou popilasyon lasante pe met plis presyon ensidswit, tou sa bann zafer ki mon krwar tou sala se bann keksoz ki nou pou bezwen, anmezir si ou anvi nou pe modernize, fodre ki standar li osi tou i vin pli strikt akoz mon konsernen la kantite zenn ki nou pe perdi atraver sa bann diferan lalkol ki pe vin lo market. Mersi bokou.

 

HON   POTTER

Msye Speaker lo sa Bill  ki devan nou mon kontan ki Minis in reasir nou e mon swete ki schedule ki ava ganny pibliye i ava konfirm sa ki sa bann komodite, sa bann goods ki’n ganny excise pou napa okenn sanzman, oubyen pou napa okenn logmantasyon dan zot bann pri apre ki nou pou’n fini aprouv sa Bill e ki ofet nou pou vwar en rediksyon dan pri ki koute pou enport en veikil prive ki byensir ki a laporte, parey nou kontan dir, the new middle class ki nou’n kree Sesel.

Parkont Msye Speaker nou osi lo sa kote, nou partaz konsern lo proteksyon ki nou devret donnen a nou bann sekter manifaktir lokal ki’n ganny eksprimen par Lonorab Ferrari, Lider Lopozisyon. Msye Speaker nou osi nou’n ganny plizyer reprezantasyon sorti kot serten sekter ki’n eksprim zot konsern lo lenpakt ki finalman konpetisyon pe anmennen lo zot, lenpakt direkt, ki sa in fer nou reflesir en kantite lo sa size si nou kontrole, ki kantite nou kontrole,  eski ler nou met proteksyon lo serten sekter manifaktir nou pe fer zistis avek konsomater, nou rapel dan le pase nou’n ganny bokou akize koman en gouvernman, ki ti kontan kontrole, ki ti pe deny Seselwa the choice pour zot kapab aste bann keksoz ki diferan avek sa ki nou pe prodwi lokalman. Wi nou ti ganny dir e bokou nou siporter, bokou nou popilasyon ti krwar ki avek konpetisyon, avek marse lib, zot ti pou ganny swa. Wi, ozordi swa i annan en kantite, pri ti pou desann dan serten mezir, wi, me malerezman pa bokou ki ti konpran rezon akoz ti annan en nesesite pou fer sa ki nou ti’n fer, nou ti pe fer, pou fer sa ki SMB ki plitar nou pou al met li dormi ennfwa pour tou ti pe sey fer.

Msye Speaker me sa pa anpes nou kantmenm kontinyen remind gouvernman – nou bezwen kontinyen get sa sitiasyon manifaktir. Enn bann landrwa ki’n fer reprezantasyon avek nou se paregzanp Seybrew. Wi, nou kont lalkol, si ti posib nou ti pou aboli depi pou reprodiksyon, depi enportasyon, depi konsomasyon lalkol, malerezman i pa posib me nou bezwen kanmenm realize ki Seybrew i anploy en gro poursantaz fanmiy Seselwa, Seybrew i enn bann pli gro kontribiter dan reveni gouvernman anterm taks e Seybrew i parey liniversite Sesel, i the pride, i pou lafyerte, i nou labwason lokal, i nou labyer, e Seybrew ozordi fas a sa louvertir ekonomik i vwar li i pe ganny tape lo 2 kote, i pe ganny tape avek enportasyon tou sord kalite varyete labyer ki nou ti demande, ki nou ti dir nou anvi en swa, e parey Lider Lopozisyon in dir i annan serten brand sa bann labyer, mon pa tro tro konnen ki kantite i annan me mon konnen i annan ki zot pri i sitan pre avek pri ki Seybrew pe vann pour li ki otomatikman konsomater i opte pou sa can enporte e anplis ki sa son konteni mon krwar anterm ml, anterm cl i pli bokou ki sa pti boutey Seybrew i kontyen.

E sa i pe afekte en sekter ki gouvernman i depan, pa zis pension fund ki nou tou nou shareholder ladan me reveni gouvernman i depan en kantite lo la.  E  100 ekek fanmiy i depan lo la. Ozordi mon’n ganny les konpran par serten reprezantasyon sorti kot Seybrew ki i pou pli cost effective pou Seybrew koup son prodiksyon isi lokal, ferm son brewery e i osi al dan import, fer parey Ramu, parey mon pa konnen lekel Teemooljee,  I mean parey nenport ki marsan pe fer, fer vin en container labyer, i pey son tax, son excise tax, son isi, son laba, i vann li pli bon marse ki Seybrew pe deza vann en Seybrew. E sa dan limenm i pou kree en lot kalite kartel oubyen en lot kalite monopoly kot Seybrew i kapab demen touy tou sa bann  lenportater si i deside fer li me eski i pou dan lentere Sesel, i pou dan lentere gouvernman, i pou dan lentere sa bann Seselwa, sa bann fanmiy ki pe ganny zot dipen avek Seybrew.

So mon konnen i en sitiasyon difisil, mon konnen ki gouvernman i konsernen avek sa sitiasyon  e nou kote nou konsernen e nou osi nou ti a kontan add nou lavwa lo ki gouvernman i reflesir lo how best ki nou etablir sa balans ant sa ki nou enporte malgre nou’n subscribe to serten trete ekonomik, rezyonnal, enternasyonal etc. ki’n met serten restriksyon lo nou, me nou bezwen osi gete what is best e annan en konsansis nasyonal, ennfwa pour tou nou a dir ek Seselwa wi, ou ti oule swa, nou’n donn ou me la, la son konsekans. E dir avek manifaktir, wi, la la bann ki ti dir anvoy sa, la, la ou’n gannyen prezan, gete ou menm, nou bezwen annan en deba pour nou konnen ki kantite e Seybrew is not the only one,  mon pe koz lo Seybrew akoz Seybrew i dan sa lalis excise, sigaret osi i en lot ki  pe ganny afekte me an deor sa 4 komodite la i annan en kantite, nou’n tann Agro osi in anvoy lalvwa, byen ki nou konnen ki wi, en bwat juice enporte, si Gouvernman i tir sa ta tax, ki i annan lo la, i pou bokou pli bon marse e petet, mon pa konnen si i pli bon kalite me sertennman son bwat i pli zoli, i pli modern, i pli whatever – dile, yoghurt mon krwar sa ki pe arive  i pe ed nou koman en nasyon reflesir byen, reflesir en kantite lo sa ki pe arive, sa ki ti pase e ganny en konsansis nasyonal lo la.

Msye Speaker Seybrew mon’n dir i pe ganny afekte avek enportasyon labyer, e i osi pe ganny afekte, i pe ganny en konpetisyon avek lapire, avek bann zafer baka ki zot fer dan tou kwen distrik. Sa osi i en gro problenm mon krwar gouvernman in ler pou met lanmen lo la.  Nou pa kapab lannen ale, lannen vini vin aprouv gro, gro bidze pou minister lasante ale atak sa bann menm maladi ki sa bann menm pratik pe enpoze lo nou. Sa osi nou bezwen annan en deba fran. Tir politik, tir siporter, tir mon pa konnen kwa, tir kiltir met dekote e annou get sa problenm fran.

I annan osi konsern konsernan bann boutey Seybrew, i annan restriksyon, i annan en tax, i annan en lobligasyon ki ganny mete lo Seybrew pour li ranmas recycle son bann boutey ki li i vann son labyer, son gines, son limonnad, son sepa kwa, son bann PET. I osi ganny fund, sepa koupe, re-eksporte, recycle. Be ki arive avek sa bann boutey labyer ki nou pe  enporte la, mon koman vwar boutey lion, mon komans vwar boutey Heiniken, mon komans vwar boutey Armstel, ki arive avek sa bann boutey? Epi nou ale nou al pile up Cascade  lo dump site. E nou pey STAR oubyen SWAC en lot larzan pou manage, pou sort out.  Msye Speaker i en size ki nou bezwen adres li fran, onnet, san melanz politik ladan, san pran en kote ou lot e sertennman mon ti a kontan delapar nou kote dan Lasanble, met sa devan Minis e met devan gouvernman e byen ki nou pou aprouv sa Bill wi nou pou aprouve, i nou responsabilite akoz le 1 Zanvye nou bezwen komans kolekte bann reveni pou finans sa bidze ki mon fek aprouve me mon ti a kontan silvouple Minis met nou bann konsern devan gouvernman. Mersi bokou.

 

HON GERVAIS HENRIE

Msye Speaker mon pa pour long anfet mon ti annan zis en pwen klarifikasyon ki mon ti oule ki Minis i eklersi nou en pti pe lo la. Me si mon pou pran kot dirizan zafer gouvernman in kite letan i pe koz lo nesesite pou annan en deba nasyonal lo bann keksoz ki pe arive, mon krwar enn bann keksoz ki gouvernman i merit osi reflesir lo la se bann rezim taks ki ganny enpoze lokalman akoz i vre ki Seybrew i vwar li enpe difisil pou compete akoz zisteman kantite taks ki ganny enpoze lo li me anmenmtan osi ki nou pe antre dan tou sa bann nouvo lord ekonomik e tou sa, mon krwar in ler pour nou nasyon osi pran en nouvo sans patriotism.

Paregzanp mwan mon pa en gran bwarer me mon kontan en pti labyer detanzantan, en rezolisyon ki mwan mon’n pran se pou pa bwar labyer enporte letan ki mon Sesel. Mon a bwar labyer etranze letan mon an deor Sesel me si mon Sesel zanmen mon pou aste. E mon krwar bokou nou nou bezwen fer sa akoz mon konsyan en pti pe e se sa ki dan forum Labank Santral mon ti lev sa pwen konsernan Seybrew, pa akoz mon ti anvi defans li me mon konsyan presyon ki Seybrew pe fer fas avek.

Pwen ki mon ti anvi lev avek Minis se  ki bomaten letan mon pe vin Lasanble, mon’n tann sa presenter lo FM pe lir en lartik ki lo Nasyon  an relasyon avek bann nouvo pri PUC lannen prosenn. I malere mon pa’n ganny sans lir Nasyon avan ki mon pe koz ek ou lo la akoz SBC osi pa ankor raporte lo la. Si mon’n tann li byen, in fer referans avek sa mo excise tax. So sa ki mon anvi konnen se eski dan – parski nou pe koz karbiran, eski sa i pou reflekte dan bann nouvo tarif ouswa kalkilasyon PUC dezormen lannen prosenn, mon ti a zis kontan si ou klarifye sa ouswa si mwan ki’n mal tande me mon asire i mansyonn sa mo dan sa lartik ki lo Nasyon ozordi. Mersi.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mwan osi mon pe fer mon pti bout pou anmenn sa deba ziska 10.30 ..

Mr Speaker mon pe ekout sa bann entervenan e deba i vreman konpleks e mon krwar ki wi, koman en nasyon mon krwar nou bezwen rod sa loportinite pou annan  en deba fran e ouver lo bann konpleksite ki egziste dan sa size lalkol, sigaret, excise, tax, lasante, byennet nou nasyon akoz i en pti pe parey en rubic cube sa deba. Ler ou’n ganny tou kouler lo en kote, ou’n deranz en lot kote. E pour nou kapab arive met tou bann kote sa cube a’n alignment mon krwar e mon konvenki ki i pou pran en zefor nasyonal e non pa en zefor gouvernman  li tousel.

Mon kontribisyon bomaten i vin azout en pti pe lo sa size excise ki pou dan bann schedules. Enn bann rezon ki nou pa vwar sa gran diferans ki nou ti ava ekspekte vwar dan bann kategori labyer paregzanp akoz nou pa prodwir diven, nou prodwir labyer, se ki si mon pa fer en fot, se ki i annan en tarif pou labyer, en tarif pour wines, en tarif pou fortified wines, en tarif pou alcohol etc. me dan sa bann kategori napa en distenksyon lo lafors nivo lalkol dan sa kategori. Paregzanp nou tou nou konnen, nou lir lo son label, en Seybrew i 4.9 degre par volim lalkol. I zis par anba 5, en Eku i 5.4, i 0.5 par lao. En guinness i 7.5.  Guinness Lerop i 4.9. Donk nou vwar i annan diferans.

E si nou oule fer mon krwar en leksepsyon ou si non nou oule donn en lavantaz nou local manufacturer, nou pou ganny problenm unless ki nou kategoriz dan sa item son diferan nivo lalkol. E mwan mon ti ava demann Minis olye fer parey nou labitid fer, fer en tarif par volim. Konmela malgre ki labyer pa ganny vann par lit, se par lit ki nou vwar son tarif ganny aplike ki nou osi within the item, e sirtou pou labyer rekategoriz li e dan sa ka nou pou vwar ki  bann labyer enporte i zeneralman par lao Seybrew, zot zeneralman par lao 5% e nou ava kapab si nou fer en tarif ki tonm par anba 5%, nou ava kapab donn en serten faver Seybrew e protez nou lendistri lokal. Pa ki mon la pou defann Seybrew an partikilye me si nou anvi fer li, mon krwar ki dan sa fason i pou vin pli konplike, i pou donn plis latet fermal Controller of Excise, me that’s what he is there for. Mon krwar ki sa set en fason ki nou ti ava kapab, pa favoriz me kekfwa penaliz serten lenportasyon e donn en breathing space nou local manufacturer. Mersi Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Minis reply.

 

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Mon krwar bann konsern ki’n ganny met devan Lasanble i bann genuine me i enportan kot nou komanse, ki mannyer nou balans li. I pa en size fasil, i annan plizyer paramet me devan nou la bomaten set en lenstriman kot i enportan ki Lasanble i aware ki gouvernman Sesel in bind li avek bann treaties. Enn nou annan COMESA kot nou pe koz lo free trade, e tre byento sa zone pou agrandi, pou nepli annan 14 pei dan COMESA me nou pou osi annan free trade within sub-saharan Africa, nou pe koz sa dan SADC.

Prezan size proteksyon ki’n toultan domin – i enn bann zouti ki gouvernman in servi, over the years, nou’n protez en kantite ziska ki nou’n bezwen tir proteksyon. E ozordi sa ki nou annan dan nou lanmen lo 2 nivo, mon kapab dir lo 3 nivo, nou annan sa ki nou apel en sensitive list avek COMESA, ki nou nou ti dir avek COMESA an 2008 ki la, la bann prodwir ki pour nou Sesel i sensitive, ki nou pa oule ki nou tir bann tarif lo la akoz nou bezwen enpe letan. Sa i enn. E nou osi annan en sensitive list avek European Union. Me nou napa bokou letan. Donk pour nou i enportan ki tou lezour nou travay pli dir ankor akoz dan lannen 2014 nou bezwen pe adres sa bann size.

Donk ler mon dir zot konsern i genuine, i pa zis genuine me i topical, i bezwen annan travay ki pe ganny fer lo  tou fron, pou kapab eksplik nou bann dimoun, pou kapab aziste, pou kapab osi compete dan sa zone, ki’n ouver.  Now akoz nou pa kapab devan nou annan tarif? I pa posib pour ozordi annan tarif akoz bann expert dan minister finans e tax pe travay lannwit pou kapab fer sir ki nou fer en travay ki konplet pour ki nou kapab satisfer tou nou bann dimoun. E la nou bezwen fer referans avek the general harmonisation system anba customs e sa bann nomenclature i standar enternasyonal, ou pa kapab sanze sa. Son sistenm kimannyer ou kategoriz, ou pa kapab sanze akoz nou’n bind nou avek treaties ki la, avek bann treaties enternasyonal, nou apel sa bann  (WCO), world customs organizations.

Nou bezwen rod lot fason mannyer nou etablir, nou stimil sekter manufacturing ki tou le 2 kote in koz for lo la. E sa i en keksoz ki mwan mon’n dir dan minister Finans e nou pou donn nou lekor, the next first 6 months of next year pou vreman asize. Pandan sa lannen mon krwar zot konn tre byen, pandan sa lannen la nou’n vreman travay dan fason entans avek plizyer keksoz ki konsern reform ekonomik.

Dernyen 6 mwan nou’n deal avek bann reform dan taks, la nou bezwen pe dedicate bokou letan pour nou vwar bann sekter. Mon krwar tourizm in preski stabiliz, pa  vedir ki nou bezwen tir nou regar lo tourism me nou pou donn bokou latansyon lo kwa ki nou kapab fer anplis akoz parey enn in dir, i pli fasil, ou konnen ozordi en poul sorti Brazil, i land Sesel lo 2 dolar. So ler nou nou ti met en levy, sekter ti dir met plis, ogmante. Me mon ti dir non fodre nou etidye. E ler ou koz avek doker Moulinie, ki mon ti ganny sans rankontre li pour mwan kapab update mon lekor egzakteman lo ki pe arive, li i dir mwan i mank en ledikasyon aprofondi dan lamas Seselwa pour zot  apresye ki en poul lokal i annan plis valer pour son lasante ki bann poul ki nou enporte.  Me sa ki enportan se  pos.

 

(Interruption)

 

..nou nou  fer sir ki bann pas, i vreman – i annan plis dan pos. I bann size ki parey mon pe dir i en size ki enteres nou tou e nou pou fer nou mye pour nou adrese me mon pou ganny sans semenn prosenn si oule comb sa bann tarif ennfwa ki Lasanble i conclude nou bann travay nou  pe met nou pare pour nou at least etidye tou bann lenplikasyon bann tarif. Mon pran bann pwen ki Lonorab Derjacques in met devan mwan, mon ava  pas li avek nou bann teknisyen. Me mon leksperyans se ki it’s a business decision, mon’n vwar sa toultan ler mon pe deal avek Minister Lasante. Ou konnen si ou annan en sistenm kot ou planifye,  ou fer vini nou bann latizann avek bann lezot keksoz par bato, me si nou mank en sistenm bon planifikasyon nou dir be nou ava air freight li, apre nou vwar ki nou bezwen pey li plis.

I bann desizyon komersyal ki ganny fer. Me mon krwar nou anvi nou tou improve, nou ava fer sir ki nou improve me selman atraver Custums tou bann keksoz i bezwen ganny pey baze lo CIF.   Now the fair market i vin zis apre ki ou’n pas Taxation, sa vedir ler ou goods, in fini antre dan pei, in ganny release lo sistenm, then kot Controller Customs ek Revenue i antre. Sa i en pratik enternasyonal ki gid nou bann dimoun dan Customs e nou bann dimoun ki dan Revenue.

Wi, mon ti anonse dan prezantasyon bidze ki avek excise tax, parey zot konnen ozordi, ler PUC i aste karbiran ek SEPEC i zero, i tax free e ler bann airlines domestik, mon pa pe dir enternasyonal,  akoz enternasyonal i pou reste zero me domestik i zero e avek nouvo excise nou pou aplik 0.50 cents lo sak lit.  E se pour sela ki malgre presyon mon pa ti kapab devwal tarif le 30, i enposib akoz i enportan ki bann teknisyen dan PUC i ganny kominike, son semenn le premye lenplikasyon sa 0.50 cents ki PUC i bezwen met devan. Donk mon krwar i enportan ki PUC i ava tyeke e les mwan remind the House ki ozordi the cost of subsidy from 0 to 300 units on PUC i SR53 million, subsidy. E si nou anvi avans devan, menm si nou koman en gouvernman nou pe met SR225 milyon tou le lannen e SR675 milyon dan sa prosen 3 an e ki wi nou pou bezwen ed PUC atraver bann soft loans ensideswit ki nou kapab gannyen atraver nou bann bilateral partners PUC i bezwen bankable e PUC ozordi i pa bankable.  I pa kapab al dan labank li, i raise en loan e nou nou anvi ki PUC i ariv lo sa nivo kot i kapab vin bankable. E pour li kapab fer sa, i bezwen montre son model finansman, e se pour sela ki nou bezwen revwar son bann tarif e PUC board ti zwenn lendi, mon okouran zot in zwenn Lendi pou kapab pran en desizyon e mon krwar i en desizyon ki ganny pran  lo sa baz realistic e  nou ava kontinyen ed PUC parey mon pe dir koman gouvernman, koman en leta me selman vwala enn bann rezon kot excise i vini pou fer sir  ki ou pa kapab annan ant PUC, Air Seychelles avek bann konpannyen avyon ki pe servi karbiran aviation lo domestic market, nou kontinyen donn zot duty free.

Mon krwar sa i pa en pratik ki nou kapab kontinyen a lavenir e nou bezwen korize.

Donk finalman Msye Speaker nou pou travay lo bann tarif parey mon pe dir, nou ava annan letan semenn prosenn pou egzamin tou sa bann zafer, anlinny avek bann konsern genuine ki zot in met devan nou. Se pour sela ki mon’n dir ki i pa’n posib pour nou kapab met sa bann schedule devan Lasanble nasyonal e mon panse ki zot kapab konpran sa leksplikasyon.

Lo sa not Msye Speaker mon ti a demann tou bann manm Lasanble pou donn en sipor sa proze delwa ki devan nou. Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Nou ava pran en vot lo merit e deba zeneral. Tou bann ki an faver, okenn ki kont. Bon i inanim. Mon a ganny mwan en formal second reading.

 

ACTING CLERK

A Bill of an Act to provide for the imposition and collection of excise tax and to provide for related matters.

 

MR SPEAKER

Nou a sot committee stage.

 

HON   POTTER

Mr Speaker anba 91(1) mon move pour nou suspend 65 to 70 anvi ki napa nesesite al dan committee stage.

 

HON ANDRE POOL

Mon segonde Msye Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Nou a pran en vot lo la. Mon a ganny mwan en motion for third reading.

 

HON   POTTER

Ki the Excise Bill 2009 i ganny lir en trwazyenm fwa.

 

MR SPEAKER

Nou vote.  Tou bann ki an faver. Okenn ki kont. Mon a ganny en third reading.

 

ACTING CLERK

This Act may be cited as the Excise Tax Act 2009.

 

MR SPEAKER

Avek sa nou pou adjourn ziska 11 er kot nou pou pran Business Tax Bill.

(Break)

 

MR SPEAKER

Mon annan zis en pti lanons pou mwan fer la. Nou pou annan en sanzman dan biznes. Apre konsiltasyon avek le 2 whips, anvi en kantite reprezantasyon vizavi sa Business Tax Bill, desizyon ki nou’n tonm dakor lo la se ki i pou ganny defer to Friday. E ki demen en komite Lasanble which is not a formal committee of the Assembly, me en komite, I won’t use the word select, be en komite ki zot menm zot in tonm dakor lo la, zot a swazir zot manm pou zwenn avek bann expert e Minis pou donn plis detay lo sa Business Tax, pran bann sizesyon etc. Mon mazinen i enpe controversial so mon krwar sa i en bon move pou annan bipartisan agreement evantyelman lo la.

Donk nou pou kontinyen avek bann lezot issues ki devan nou, sa 3 lezot Bill. Demen probableman nou ava pran Bill, zis demen bomaten nou pou zwenn pou pran sa Supplementary Estimates  e committee i ava travay larestan lazournen avek sa bann expert sorti kot Minister Finans. I oke sa?

 

HON   FERRARI

Msye Speaker kekfwa ou kapab donn nou en lendikasyon what is the ideal number of Members that you would like, so that it is not too big and does not become cumbersome and it’s tight enough so that we can move on with the business.

 

MR SPEAKER

Nou’n toultan servi en formil 7 me selman mon mazinen antan ki i pa en formal one, then petet 9 ti ava oke, dan lesans ki i sitan teknik ki i bon osi ou annan petet bann avoka ki nou annan dan Lasanble zot osi pe partisip ladan, bann leaders osi, le 2 leaders. Mon mazinen petet 9 will be ok. E zot ava tonm dakor lo poursantaz si 6/3, 5/4 whatever.  Ou a liaise avek Hon Prea, Leader of Government Business.

So nou ava pran Revenue Administration Bill. Nou a ganny en motion for second reading.

HON MARIE-LOUISE POTTER

Mr Speaker mon move ki Revenue Administration Bill 2009 i ganny lir en dezyenm fwa.

 

HON ANDRE POOL

Mon a envit Minis pour fer son lentervansyon.

 

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Mr Speaker yer Lasanble ti vot lo Revenue Commission. San ki mon konpar sa avek nou Lasanble e pour Lasanble kapab fer son travay, Speaker li i annan dan son lanmen en seri lareg e sa i son Standing Orders. Me pour Revenue Commission, osi kapab travay i bezwen annan sa ki nou apel en Administration Law.

Parey Gouvernman i bezwen annan the Public Service Orders, Revenue i bezwen osi annan li en seri lareg ki vin en code of conduct ki kapab fer son travay. Mon ti pe rod en fason pou kapab eksplike kwa ki sa proze de lwa i annan. Se pour sela ler nou etidye sa proze de lwa nou ava vwar ki i eksprim larealite travay ki lofis Komisyon Reveni i fer. Lekel bann dimoun ki i transact avek.  Paregzanp ozordi zot konn tre byen pour bann dimoun ki dan biznes, ler i fer vini bann keksoz lo airport, swa i vin lo airport, swa i vin lo sea port, normalman pa sa endividi ki al sers sa bann zafer.  Si i prive i al fer limenm li me menm si i prive, i dekouver konmsi i devan en monn telman konplike. Se pour sela dan realite nou annan nou, bann agents. Bann agents ki fer sa e Sesel nou’n annan plizyer agents.

Apre osi bann dimoun ki fer biznes pa toultan ki zot fer zot bann papye lo zot menm. Se pour se la nou dir zot annan bann tax agents.  Zot vwar sa. E lafason ki nou pou ale, nou pou annan bokou plis tax agents.

Me ziska ozordi lekel ki annan oversight lo zot?  Lekel ki demann kestyon lo zot code of conduct.  I enpe weak. Donk sa lalwa ki devan nou i dir ki nou devret annan en code of conduct ki donn en lareg performans bann tax agents akoz nou annan levidans, nou pa pe dir tou. Nou annan levidans dan revenue ki pa toultan bann tax agents in fer keksoz korekteman de lapar kliyan.  Pa toultan, akoz souvannfwa zot in fer fas avek en kliyan ki enpe naif e kliyan in peye, in pey ser. E mon krwar sa pratik nou bezwen arete. Pour nou arete i enportan ki nou donn lenformasyon nou bann dimoun pou dir i annan en landrwa kot zot kapab ganny raporte, akoz apre tou, ou ki pey ou tax agents e ou ki pey ou customs agents. E parfwa osi customs pa’n toultan tonm dakor avek lafason ki customs agents i fer son travay lo port avek seaport. Sa lalwa i build enpe lo bann sitiasyon lavi over the years ki bann zofisye reveni in akimile e zot dir ki si zot pe met en lareg, annou koriz sa bann zafer.

Donk nou’n komans deal avek bann keksoz deor me ki annan kontakt avek biznes anndan.

Prezan, dimoun ki dan biznes ozordi zot depan bokou lo kwa ki zofisye reveni i dekouver dan zot biznes. Sa in en sanzman fondamantal. E sanzman fondamantal ki pe ganny mete devan nou e la mon pe sipliye ki medya dan Sesel i annan en gran rol pou ed lofis reveni pour nou eksplik bann sanzman ki pe al ganny entrodwir dan lapopilasyon. E mon krwar si nou pa fer li, nou pa pe fer li en servis pou leta, nou bezwen al eksplike, i annan en kantite ledikasyon, i pa pour fasil me nou pou reisir si selman nou kapab nou tou zwe sa rol pou edike.

Ou premye depar la the onus is on youOnus i tou bann dimoun ki lo biznes, onus nepli lo sistenm akoz ou deside ozordi pou fer biznes, ou’n bezwen fer en desizyon avek tou ou bann fakilte. Si ou pe pran en risk, i ou desizyon, i pa kapab desizyon en lot dimoun. E se pour sela ki nou pe koz lo bann prosedir assessment dan lalwa me lobligasyon i pa lo reveni, me si ou ganny atrape ki i annan okenn keksoz mal, i annan en penalti. Korek?  Donk mon  krwar i enportan ki nou kapab konpran bann keksoz nouvo ki pe ganny entrodwir atraver kreasyon reveni, komisyon reveni e sa lalwa lo ladministrasyon reveni. Bomaten enn ti dir kekfwa nou pe donn li tro bokou pouvwar me nou ava aksepte ki nou donn li pouvwar pour li azir dan en kad legal e non pa ler i leve bomaten i deside be la mon pou al.. – non, non i bezwen operate dan en framework legal.  E sa proze de lwa devan nou pe donn li e pe donn komisyon reveni sa bann lareg, lalwa pour li operate. Korek?

Lot keksoz se ki par leksperyans nou koz lo koleksyon reveni.  Dezyenmman nou osi koz lo ki manyer nou devret recover reveni ki pou gouvernman, nou apel sa bann det, nou annan det, nou bezwen anmas bann larzan parey zot konnen. I annan dimoun ki drwa reveni i annan bann negosiasyon yer nou ti koz lo la nou ti dir pa fonksyon liabilities me pli fonksyon egzekitif i reveni.

Donk sa lalwa i donn sa bann lenstriman dan ki fason i fer li, i pa kapab fer li dan en fason arbitrer  i bezwen annan bann lareg pour li kapab kolekte reveni, kolekte bann det, ki pou lepep e ki i bezwen fer li on behalf gouvernman. Mon krwar sa i entrodwir bann keksoz modern, nouvo dan lafason ki li i zer son travay.  Savedir ki nou pe fer, nou pe entrodwir lareg, bann lareg pou lofis pou Revenue Commissioner fer son travay.

Now mon kontan ler mon antann ki nou Speaker i fer en ruling, mon kontan mwan e li son ruling. Mon kontan mwan akoz i en desizyon final sa, me mon vwar osi ki ler nou pe koz dan reveni ler nou pe koz lo bann keksoz ki pase dan reveni parfwa lavi i montre ki i bezwen annan en desizyon ki’n ganny pran e lalwa i dir be sa desizyon pa kapab ganny fer dan biro Minis li akoz nou pe tir tou pouvwar egzekitif pou enterfer dan loperasyon reveni i bezwen annan en lotorite ki pran sa, se pour se la ki nou pe dir i pou annan li bann private ruling avek bann public ruling lo bann ka taks.   Lalwa i donn li sa permisyon, sa pouvwar pou kapab fer li.

Prezan si nou pe dir ki li ki pou fer e nou pe dir ki lalwa ki pe ganny kree i permet li fer, prezan nou pe dir hold on be i bezwen annan en landrwa, i bezwen annan en lenstans kot sa bann ka taks i ganny diskite. Pour zot lenformasyon plizyer ka, bann avoka i konn sa tre byen plizyer ka ki gouvernman i annan an term reveni i ankor ankour, prezan si nou pe dir nou bezwen recover larzan ankour akoz i larzan leta me ou annan en lot brans par son prop mekanizm nou pa kapab ganny reveni, nou pa kapab anmas reveni akoz tou le lannen case pe tarde. I annan case ki’n pran plis ki 8an ki ankor an kour. Me nou pe deal avek reveni, nou pe deal avek larzan leta Sesel se pour se la nou dir dan ka kot i annan sa lalwa pe permet pou la premyer fwa ki nou kree sa ki nou apel en tribinal pou reveni. E sa tribinal pou reveni pou annan en ziz ki   pou chair pour li kapab pronons desizyon. Nou bezwen sistenm ki fast track bann size reveni san ki i al pri dan en landrwa e nou pe dir ki nou bezwen kolekte reveni pou gouvernman ki pou afekte progranm gouvernman e bann depans pou gouvernman. Me anmenmtan nou osi dir ki si demen ou pa’n tonm dakor avek sa ka ou annan rekour avek lakour me selman premye lenstans nou pe kree en tribunal pou reveni, savedir nou pe fine tune sa sistenm,   donn li en seri lareg pour kapab fer son travay.

Now i enportan ki ozordi le 16 Desanm ler nou koz lo small, medium and large businesses first schedule i define kisisa, mon krwar i tre byen pou nou konpran ler nou pe koz lo bann small business, nou pe dir en small business i enn ki son annual turn over i mwens ki 1 milyon. Sa i en small business. Prezan ki manyer nou’n ariv lo sa bann sif,  nou’n ariv lo sa sif akoz nou annan  dan archives ozordi, lefe ki nou’n set up en financial branch i annan bann lenformasyon i ed gouvernman, nou dir regarde la, la ki manyer nou kategoriz bann pti biznes, bann pti biznes ki son turn over i mwens ki 1 milyon annual. Apre nou pe dir ki en medium business i ant 1 milyon avek 50 milyon turnover. Ler nou pe koz bann gran biznes nou pe dir ki son turnover i par lao 50 milyon, sa i bann gran biznes, son turnover i par lao, nou swiv sa.

Donk Mr Speaker sa proze de lwa ki devan nou i reflekte bann processors, bann sistenm e i kree bann lareg pour met dan lanmen lototrite reveni parey lasanble i annan en set of rules ki permet li fer son travay.

Now mon atir zot latansyon ki bann penalti i o. Akoz son bann penalti i o? Son penalti i o akoz i enportan ki nou anvoy en mesaz tre kler, e dezyenmman nou pe prepar nou pou lentrodiksyon VAT. Bann ekspert enternasyonal in advise Sesel dan tou bann pei kot in annan lentrodiksyon en VAT leta in perdi en kantite larzan atraver malpractice. Nou pe sanz en sistenm e ler sistenm i sanze i annan ki profite. Donk nou nou pou sanz sa sistenm Zanvye 2012, nou annan 18 mwan pou nou prepare, pou nou edike me byen boner nou pe dir kot larzan reveni i konsernen nou bezwen sistematik penalti dan tou bann ka i tre o.

Donk Mr Speaker mon ti ava demann nou Lasanble pou donn sipor lo sa nouvo proze de lwa ki devan nou ki dan nou pwennvi dan Minister Finans e dan gouvernman i en bon keksoz, i pou ede moderniz nou komisyon reveni. Mersi.

 

MR SPEAKER

Deba i ouver, Onorab Ferrari.

 

HON JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI

Mr Speaker premye ki mon pou tous lo la se en pwen zeneral ki apre mon pou fer referans avek 5 ou 6 seksyon pou esey convince Minis avek son bann teknisyen ki kekfwa zot devret re-regard sa pwen.

Sa pwen se ki – kekfwa mon ava sey koz an angle Mr Speaker kekfwa..

 

MR SPEAKER

Nou kapab koz angle, franse, kreol.

 

HON JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI

Kekfwa mon mazinen enn de bann – kreol oke.

I annan par egzanp isi la en unlevel playing field between the Revenue Commissioner e sa dimoun ki  en tax payer. Mon vwar en kantite lenstans kot i annan en kantite lotorite ki Revenue Commissioner i annan, en kantite lareg ki i annan a son dispozisyon pou li fer sir ki revenue i ganny kolekte efektivman and in a timely manner. Me napa osi sa menm kalite burden lo Revenue Commissioner pour li kapab deal avek bann kliyan, bann tax payers koman en partner ki osi annan responsabilite.

Mon ava eksplike Mr Speaker. Par egzanp lo tou bann areas kot i annan en time limit ki Revenue Commissioner i enpoze, par egzanp i annan en time limit to make an assessment. Dan seksyon 8 nou vwar ki Revenue Commissioner li i napa en time limit pour li kapab fer son assessment on the return and serve the tax payer with notice of the assessment. Li i fer li as soon as it is convenient tandi ki the tax payer li i annan, lalwa i dir li konbyen, kan i bezwen fer son tax return. I fer son tax return me selman apre sa i reste dan lanmen Commissioner e a son diskresyon kan li i anvi. E sa son problenm avek sa se pa zis ki i annan en delay me ler en dimoun in pey provisional tax kekfwa in pey anplis akoz ler i pou fer son return i pou vwar poudir an realite mon’n pey an plis e mon merit anba lalwa ganny en refund, me selman li Tax Commissioner li i napa okenn obligasyon lo li, i kapab delay the assessment pour en bon pe letan e sa i o detriman the tax payer. Ou konpran, so sa seksyon 8.

Mon a pran en seksyon 15(4) ek (5). Seksyon 15(4) ek (5) i enpe menm zafer. Ler Commissioner i fer en lobzeksyon, the Revenue Commissioner has considered the objection and allow in holding part or sa whatever. Dan (5) The Revenue Commissioner has served notice of the objection to the tax payer as soon as it’s practicable. Mwan mon konpran ki en tight time limit is no good me selman mwan mon ti a kontan ki par egzanp si i annan lobzeksyon at least within the year i fer konnen son obzeksyon e ki si sa dimoun pou ganny en refund i gannyen at least within 12 months. Si the tax office is burdened avek en kantite travay e sa objection pa ganny fer i annan lobzeksyon, file i la me selman tax commissioner pa ankor fer nanryen,   mwan mon vwar li koman  i al o detriman the tax payer i annan dimoun ki’n avek lekel ki mon’n diskite ki’n propoz 60 days limit is important to a tax payer to submit his objection. Mwan mon pa en accountant mwan mon pa konnen what should be me selman mon ava dir ki we must find a time limit pour sa desizyon ganny pran. So an open ended situation like this one is probably well not probably, but surely makes the tax administration an unleveled playing field where the commissioner i pe ganny plis, li i pe ganny serten lavantaz tandis ki the tax payer pa pe gannyen.

Annou pran seksyon 19 Mr Speaker. Seksyon 19 i osi ilistre menm sitiasyon, in the case of a revenue decision the burden is on the person objecting to the decision to prove that the decision could have been made or should have been made differently. So the burden is on the tax payer, if he finds that the assessment is unfair or is excessive. Me selman dan sa ka ankor li sa tax payer, mon lir en bout la, li i limited to the grounds stated in the objection e sa se bann grounds ki’n ganny mete par the Revenue Commissioner. Konmsi mwan mon vwar en area kot ti kapab annan improvement kot tou le de i annan menm drwa e menm devwar.

Seksyon 29 e mon ava termin lo sa pwen. Seksyon 29 i en lot ki enteresan. Dan sa enn nou ganny dir ki unless en refund effected within 30 days or the issue of an assessment or review by the court or tribunal i annan en liability ki the tax payer will take. Me selman nou nou dir ki the Commissioner li osi i bezwen bare the same penal rate of interest ki en tax payer i gannyen for a late payment kan li i late in making known son bann objections and in providing a refund. I annan en kantite dimoun sirtou anba nouvo taks sistenm ki pe vini, anba personal income tax, i annan dimoun ki pou claim refund. Akoz ki ler ki commissioner i ganny dir an kour, i ganny son case an kour ki ou bezwen pey li apre penal interest li Commissioner li i pa ganny penal interest lo li. Konmsi Minis mwan sa ki mon pe sey dir se ki nou pe sey responsabiliz the tax payer, Revenue Commissioner in dir avek nou poudir i ti a kontan vwar en sitiasyon kot i annan voluntary, ki sa term i servi – konmsi voluntary compliance, self compliance nou pe ankouraz bann dimoun to comply san sey sa me selman annou sey gete ki maner the tax office, akoz tax office ou konnen the common wisdom avek piblik se ki se ou pey anplis, lager pou ou ganny ou larzan. Si ou pey an mwens, bannla pe vin rod ou e ler zot tyanbo ou penal interest.

So mwan sa ki mon ti a kontan dir se mon ti a kontan vwar on the office of the Revenue Commissioner enpe regilasyon ki dir ki li osi i bezwen fer son travay in a timely and in effective manner. So sa i sa pwen ki mon ti anvi fer.

Mon ava fer 2 lezot pti pwen ki ase vit, mon retourn an aryer with respect Minis lo pwen 12. I al enpe avek sa ki mon ti pe dir pli boner kestyon 12. Get sa seksyon ki manyer i ete, i en very short section. The validity of a revenue decision or notice of a revenue decision is not affected by reason that any provisions of the revenue law under which it has been made has not been complied with. Pou mwan i pa akseptab I mean si Revenue Commission in pran en desizyon e ler i pe pran sa desizyon it did not comply with the own laws and regulations that guide the procedures it cannot be – it has to be challengeable mwan koman en layman mon vwar li koumsa. Mon vwar ki la ankor enn fwa nou dir poudir i enpe parey ler en dimoun i dir ou the judge in his court is always right and the Speaker in his House is always right. Mwan mon dir not always right because they are human begins, they are right for the purpose of the proceedings but they can be wrong in the way they are administering the affairs. So mwan mon dir yes the Revenue Commissioner can be wrong and if he is wrong and if he did not complied with the provisions of the revenue law then the decision is affected.

Mon soumet sa Mr Speaker e sa bann pwen se enpe poudir ki, eski Minis ou pa ti ava dakor  avek mwan ki dan sa prosesis ki nou pe fer, nou pe eseye, I don’t know si zanmen nou pou reisir annan en revenue collection system ki customer friendly ki bann tax payer i kontan, mwan mon pa vwar mwan pe tonm anmoure avek the Revenue Commission akoz  konmsi li i pe met lanmen dan mon pos, me selman we can bridge the gap and the way to bridge a gap is to make the commission to be seen as konmsi i respectful of the clients and respectful of it’s own regulations and things like that and only then will we have proper self compliance.

Dernyen pti pwen, Minis sa i zis en pti pwen typo kekfwa dan objects and reasons premye paz ou vwar Desanm 2009 ki lalwa pou come into effect sa se lo paz roman i and then on page roman xii preliminary provisions the Act shall come into operation on 1st January 2010. Objects pa ladan. So i disregard the object and 1st January 2010 is what you are expecting. Mon ti pe zis highlight sa sitiasyon. Mersi Mr Speaker.

 

HON MARC VOLCERE

Mr Speaker mon pou koz en pti pe lo merit sa Bill, mon pa pou al dan bann detay teknik.

Mr Speaker mon krwar sa Bill ki devan nou i annan kek relasyon pou fer avek sa Bill ki nou’n vot lo la yer Revenue Commission e osi sa Bill ki deza devan nou la, me ki nou pou touse enpe plitar lo business tax, akoz mon vwar sa Revenue Administration Bill koman sa lorgan, koman sa bann zouti ki pou ganny servi pou kapab administre sa lezislasyon ki annan pou fer avek Revenue Commission. So sa Bill limenm i pe donn pouvwar parey Minis in dir, i pe donn serten pouvwar Revenue Commission pou kapab fer sir ki bann biznes oubyen bann tax payers i pey byen zot tax e fer li dan bann moman apropriye.

Mr Speaker sa Bill osi i pe responsabiliz bann tax payers oubyen son bann dimoun parey t agents anver lobligasyon ki zot annan anver larises nou pei. Koman bann dimoun ki pe fer biznes dan Sesel zot annan en obligasyon atraver nou pei, atraver nou popilasyon pour zot kapab rann lepep sa ki pou lepep. So i enportan ki zot pey zot dues on time e a ler ki zot ganny demande par Komisyonner Revenue. Me nou konnen souvannfwa i pou annan serten mekontantman oubyen serten diskisyon ant le de kot serten pa pou tonm dakor ek kanmarad e dan sa ka lo kote tax payers zot annan rekour parey nou ti’n dir, zot annan serten rekour, zot kapab al devan sa tribinal, sa tribinal ki pou ganny apwente e si zot pa dakor avek desizyon ki sa revenue tribunal in gannyen zot annan lezot opsyon ankor, zot kapab al devan lakour siprenm. Ankor apre lakour siprenm si zot still pa dakor avek desizyon ki pe ganny pran zot kapab al devan court of appeal. So bann tax payers zot annan serten fason oubyen serten zouti pou kapab defann zot an relasyon avek bann desizyon ki ganny pran.

Mr Speaker, part 5 sa Bill i koz lo bann reveni, lo lafason ki bann tax payers i kapab – E la sa part la pe ofer, i pe ofer bann tax payers petet pour bann ki annan serten difikilte apre ki serten desizyon in ganny donnen pour zot kapab  pey zot dues par morso, pou kapab pey par installment parey nou dir.

Me i annan en pti keksoz ki mon ti a kontan tous sa ki Onorab Ferrari in dir lo seksyon 8. Mon krwar nou bezwen get sa seksyon lo tou le de kote akoz petet tou le de kote i ganny afekte, wi mon konnen ki bann tax payers oubyen bann businessmen zot pou kontan ki ler desizyon i ganny donnen petet dan zot faver e la opli vit posib ganny rann whatever sa ki zot annan pou ganny rann. Me nou bezwen mazin lot kote osi, eski bann tax payers pou dakor osi vitman posib kot zot ganny demande pou – meton zot in kontribye less e zot devret kontribye en pti pe plis pour zot osi ganny sa larepons osi vitman pour zot pey sa ki zot devret peye ki petet sa ki zot in pa’n peye.

Petet w, serten i a dir ou  wi mon ti a kontan konn boner alors mon ti ava aranz mon cash flow, mon konnen mon annan tel depans pou mwan al fer mon bezwen al fer li pli vit posib me mon annan en pti pe dout lo la.

Mr Speaker sa Bill osi i koz lo bann penalties ki bann tax payers pou bezwen fer fas avek si a okenn moman zot pa pe onor bann komitman ki zot annan pou fer, e zot annan pou gard zot bann rikord pou en serten letan, en kantite letan ki zot ganny demande pou zot gard zot bann rikord, ki dan Bill la mon vwar i pe met pour 7an so zot pa pou kapab detri sa bann lenformasyon pour kek rezon demen si i annan okenn envestigasyon ki bezwen ganny refer, sa bann rikord i bezwen ganny met an plas.

Alor Mr Speaker mon pe get sa nouvo lalwa koman en zouti ki Komisyonner pou annan pou li travay avek e osi pou bann businessmen, pou bann tax payers kapab zot osi kapab servi pou zot sey defann zot lekor akoz souvannfwa nou tande i annan bokou zot ki refize pey tax e zot bezwen al fer fas avek lakour.

Alors Mr Speaker dan sa nouvo reform ki nou pe antre ladan, dan sa fason ki gouvernman pe sey konsyantiz nou bann dimoun, pe ankouraz zot pou antre dan biznes e an retour mon krwar i osi enportan ki zot kontribye atraver taks pour   gouvernman kapab kontinyen run nou lekonomi e fer ki tou Seselwa i a  benefisye.

Mr Speaker avek sa de mo mon pou byensir siport sa Bill. Mersi.

 

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

Mr Speaker ler mon’n lir sa lalwa mon bezwen dir okomansman ki mon santi mon pa’n kapab donn li tou mon latansyon posib akoz parey zot konnen sa de dernyen semenn nou deal ek 9 lalwa enn deryer lot, selman ler mon regard li at least okomasnman parey Minis in dir, i vre, sa i en lalwa ki etabli sistenm ki enkli bann prosedir, bann drwa, bann gidans, e osi bann lakour ki en tax payer i pas ladan ler en revenue decision i ganny fer lo li koman en dimoun ki pey tax isi Sesel. Nou konnen en premye desizyon i ganny fer par Commissioner ouswa son reprezantan apre i kapab appeal kot revenue tribunal, i annan en drwa  devan supreme court apre i bezwen demann permisyon pou al devan court of appeal si i neseser.

Alor lo laspe legal mon kapab dir konpare avek dan lepase kot ti annan bokou mwens loportinite e bokou pli difisil ki at least la i enpe pli kler e nou konnen ki en sitwayen i kapab  form the beginning to the end to the highest court avek bann proteksyon ouswa mankmann ki mon a sey koz lo la e pou li achieve lazistis a lafen. Selman parey mon kontan dir at least nou pe vwar emerging enpe rule of law state ki prezan pe ganny aplike osi dan taks. Kekfwa dimoun ava aret tro per tax men e zot ava servi, e mon ankouraz zot pou servi bann bon avoka dan sekter prive pou defann zot drwa ler i ganny abrize.

Mr Speaker selman mon annan enn de konsern. I vre ki bann time limits pa’n ganny mete lo assessment anba seksyon 8, 11 parey Onorab Ferrari in fer sorti. E mwan mon enkyet la, akoz par egzanp ler politisyen i fer letour dan tou distrik, enn bann pli gran kritik lo lakour siprenm ek mazistra se ki i pran tro bokou letan pour bann zizman ganny fer, i pran tro bokou pour fer bann assessment e nou tou nou konnen ki i en fardo ler ou pa konnen ki ok sa desizyon i ganny fer dan en serten dele ouswa ou annan en serten peryod. Be ler ou kit li open handed nou pa met bann limit par egzanp Onorab Ferrari in sizer 3 mwan anba 8 e mon krwar in ganny sizere 3an anba seksyon 11 i open handed e a nenport moman ou kapab trouv ou avek en assessment ki kapab ganny fer. Sa ki pou arive, bann avoka pou tay an kour poudir ki sa assessment in ganny fer a tro long dele e in abriz zot drwa Konstitisyonnel pour zot ganny en larepons e assessment within a reasonable time. Alor premye defans deza pou al Constitutional court pou ouver laport. Alor mwan mon ti ava kontan si Minis ti ava regarde si pa kapab met bann letan spesifik kapab donn enpe letan, wi selman enpe letan avan bann dele, bann assessment i ganny fer anba seksyon 8 e anba seksyon 11 tou.

Lo aspe penalti in fini ganny kouver par Onorab ki’n fek koze avan mwan. I a paret ki bann penalti i kapab eksesiv osi. Par egzanp ler ou’n ganny assess e ou’n ganny lentere deza ek penalty apre ou pa peye e ou kapab ganny kandannen, ou pou pey 300% plis e si ou fer lofans ou kapab ganny en fine up to SR5 million, konmsi nou pe get bann keksoz ki serye. Apre ler nou get bann fines ki imposed nou pa met and or imprisonment, i met fine and imprisonment, konmsi i enpe grav sa, konmsi si nou ganny en ziz ki vreman black letter law ki pa regard nou bann drwa Konstitisyonnel, i pa gete zis i get lalwa e i enpoze, ou kapab pey en fine, al dan prizon e ou kapab ganny en penalty mazer. Savedir penalties i enn mon bann lenkyetid.

Lo tribinal, wi i bon ki chairperson revenue tribunal i en ziz lakour siprenm e selman son bann ordinary members i ganny apwente par Minis e si nou ti pe sey fer vreman ki sa bann revenue tribunal parey nou pe sey fer dan sa lalwa i annan separasyonn pouvwar – Minis bomaten ti pe dir nou ki ler in met tou keksoz dan lanmen Revenue Commissioner i oule ki nou ava al tap laport laba, li i konsernen kekfwa zis ek bann regilasyon, nou al tap laport laba kot Revenue Commissioner. Be la nou pou bezwen al tap laport kot li, akoz li ki pe al apwent sa bann ordinary members e li ki i pou deside konbyen ordinary members i pou met lo sa revenue tribunal, apre limenm li Minis i kapab dir nenport manm anba 71(9)(c) kot Minis i deside ki sa ordinary member of sa revenue tribunal is unable to perform the duties of office. Savedir li a son diskresyon i kapab zis dir, ou’n fer bann desizyon ou a kapab. Alors i donn li sa kontrol ankor mazer. Kekfwa nou ti devret les sef zis ankor apwent sa bann ordinary members e stipulate osi ki eksepte for reasonable cause en manm sa tribinal pa kapab ganny tire akoz i annan bann desizyon grav i pe al fer, bann desizyon par egzanp pour Minis in dir pou annan 20 dimoun ki pey 90% tax isi Sesel. E nou pe deal ek bann dimoun ki pe pey   SR100 milyon par an e si i annan en desizyon ki’n ganny fer ki Minis pa tro kontan son kof i vid i zis i dir sa boug i unable to perform the function, tir ou. Alor kekfwa nou devret annan plis proteksyon.

Nou konnen ziz i annan  proteksyon, i annan proteksyon i pa kapab ganny tire ziska ler i sorti koman ziz, ouswa i resign from office by the chairperson. Ziz i annan proteksyon eksepsyonnel la, tan ki i en Supreme Court Judge e tan ki i resign, i pa ganny tire li  koman  chairman sa Revenue Commission. E of course ziz anba son apwentman, anba konstitisyon i kapab ganny tire par Prezidan si i fer misconduct ouswa i tonm malad, nou konnen sa bout. Selman i annan en drwa li kot i kapab ganny tire dan en fason zis ler i annan exceptional reasons under the Constitution, be sa pov manm li, li konmsi li i enn, kekfwa mazorite ki pou deside, pa ziz ki pou deside. Ou’n met de laymen la ki i riske vot kont ziz e award ki Seybrew pa pou pey SR100 milyon sa lannen. Minis pa kontan be li i ganny tire failing to perform his duty se out e napa proteksyon. Alor mwan mon konsern sa bout osi.

Minis osi si i kapab advise nou konbyen ordinary members i annan lide pou li apwente e sa i ava donn nou en lide si i pe krwar ki i devret annan lo sa tribinal 3 manm ouswa 5 manm, nou pa konnen. Lo en aplikasyon letan ou sorti devan  Supreme Court pou al devan Court of Appeal i dir ki ou kapab appeal kont a revenue decision si ou ganny leave of the court of appeal. Be ler nou get nou court of appeal rules avek nou Supreme Court Act ek civil code, procedure code i dir ki ou kapab demann on a point of law of course, leave from the Ssupreme Court apre si ou ganny reject ou rod special leave of the Court of Appeal. Alor nou pe al kont sa de lalwa la. Nou devret gete si sa i legal ouswa non. Mwan mon krwar i pa zis leave of the Court of Appeal it’s leave of the Supreme Court apre si ou pa gannyen i vin special leave of the Court of Appeal, sansan nou pe kas lalwa osi.

Lo definisyon revenue decision mon satisfe i ase larz akoz i les ki merit desizyon tou i ganny challenge, son assessment e tou keksoz, ki avan ou pe get zis prosedir, ou pa pe vreman get merit e la prezan merit lo tou son laspe i kapab al devan en lot body ek lakour.

Mr Speaker mon osi Minis mon konsernen avek sa bann zofisye ki pou vin ankour. Zot zis dir ki en manm verbalman i kapab dir ki li i pe reprezant Commissioner of Revenue e lakour i bezwen aksepte ki li i pe reprezant komisyonner. Mwan mon krwar ki parey anba The Dangerous Drugs Act ler en sertifika i ganny donnen par ID  officer ki sa siyantis i ganny apwente par Prezidan li osi i devret donn son sertifika, a certificate of appointment ki li i annan drwa ek lotorite reprezant Revenue Commissioner. I pa kapab zis vin verbal konmsi nou walk in verbally mon dir mwan mon pe reprezant Revenue Commissioner. Apre pli danzere ankor i dir son assessment i pa neseserman the original assessment but a copy e a copy shall be the truth of it’s content shall be accepted by the court. Be non i parey si en dimoun i vini i dir mwan mon reprezant Commissioner apre i donn en photocopy, be i bezwen certified ouswa  en authenticated copy espesyalman si en copy kont Seybrew SR100 milyon, i bezwen annan weight, i bezwen annan authentication ouswa certified ki this is a proper assessment. Alor mwan mon krwar i les en nespes lese fer la. Savedir mwan mon ensiste ki sa zofiyse;

(i)           i toultan si ou annan 5  zot Minis ki ou pe anvoy an kour, Revenue Commissioner pe anvoy an kour zot bezwen annan zot sertifika, e

 

(ii)     okenn assessment ki

zot prodwir si pa the original i bezwen a certified copy ouswa authenticated copy.

 

Apre lot seksyon ki mon pe tyeke se ki ler ou sezi tou bann dokiman, liv, kaye, en biznes i dir ki you may examine them kot Revenue Commissioner during working hours. Mwan mon pa pe argue si ou anvi ouswa ou pa anvi al egzaminen mwan mon ensiste ki ou annan drwa al get ou bann prop liv akoz si ou napa akse avek ou prop liv ek kaye la ki manyer ou pou al lager devan ziz. Menm dan bann ka kriminel in fini ganny etablir dan nou lalwa ki ou annan drwa akse avek tou ki gard i annan kont ou ler ou al ankour savedir nou’n fini tabli li dan nou bann lalwa kriminel. E pour sa act la, liv, kaye, resi i enportan pou en dimoun ki pe al ganny assess ou bezwen entitled to examine your document of your business seized by the Commissioner, during working hours of course.

Mr Speaker apart ki sa enn de pti problenm mon vwar ki nou’n bouz enpe konpare ek sa bann Bill dan lepase e prezan nou annan plis akse avek lakour e dan spirit of the rule of law en step forward. Alor mwan mon dir li i ase oke selman mon ti a vreman kontan Minis ou regard sa enn de pwen pou refer, pou enhance lalwa dan sa Act. Mersi.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mr Speaker mon pou sot en pti kou midi, napa problenm? Mon pa mind mon pa oule perdi sa letan ki nou annan.

 

MR SPEAKER

Sof ki i pou bezwen fer reply osi apre 2er. Mon krwar nou a rezwenn 2er. Nou a adjourn nou ava rezwenn 2er, i reste ou e minis pou fer reply.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mersi.

MR SPEAKER

Mersi nou adjourn ziska 2er.

 

(Break)

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Parey in deza ganny eksprimen napa gran problenm avek fason ki sa Bill ki devan nou ozordi in ganny fer e bann pouvwar ki i donn sa Revenue Commissioner. Kot i annan, selon nou, serten defayans i vin lo son aplikasyon ou plito lo laplikasyon serten sa bann regleman, in other words par by and large lalwa i oke, bann pouvwar i rezonnab me dan serten pwen spesifik i annan serten defayans, e ler sa bann defayans i vin lo pouvwar Revenue Commissioner se la kot nou realize ki akoz ki depi lepok Labib tax collector pa ti ganny byen vwar, e i malere ki ziska ozordi tax collector depar son pouvwar ki i oule pran lo limenm i fer li vin en zofisye tre enpopiler.

Mr Speaker tou sa ki mon pe dir la apremidi aparti sa moman i pa mon kontribisyon me i kontribisyon lezot dimoun ki travay dan sekter kontabilite e bann serten pwen ki zot in fer resorti akoz mwan mon pou premye pou konfese ki dan sa letan ki nou’n gannyen depi ki nou’n resevwar sa Bill mon pa’n ganny letan pou mwan fer sa travay ki mon ti a swete ki mon ti’n kapab fer. E se plito travay Mr Bernard Pool e Mr John Richardson ki’n ganny sirkile avek plizyer manm sa Lasanble ki mon pe dan en serten fason rehash apremidi.

Mon ti a kontan komans avek Onorab Mitcy Larue, avek konklizyon sa ki Mr Richardson in dir lo sa Bill.  Our conclusion,  Mr Richardson says, is ‘that the Bill should be reviewed in order to remove inconsistencies, increase bureaucracy, penal provisions and risks for major mistakes or omissions in doing business, and to limit the immense power granted to the Commissioner’.

Mr Speaker mon dakor antyerman avek sa lobzervasyon, e si ou permet mwan apremidi mon ava tous parey bann koleg ki’n koz avan mwan in fer pa lo zeneralite sa Bill me plito lo serten pwen spesifik kot mon ti a swete ki nou vwar en ameliorasyon.

Mon komans Mr Speaker avek clause 12. Clause 12 i fer mwan, parey i fer plizyer dimoun isi Sesel per, akoz sa clause manyer in ganny drafte i dir ki en desizyon en revenue decision ki en assessment or en denial en lobzeksyon, the validity of a revenue decision or notice of a revenue decision is not affected by reason that any provisions of the revenue law under which it has been made have not been complied with. Danzere Mr Speaker. Sa i donn pouvwar Commissioner pour li inyor lalwa, what’s the point of having a law if the person in charge of applying the law can ignore it, might as well si nou pou annan clause 12, might as well napa sa zafer ditou, annou ranplas sa lalwa antye par en lalwa ki dir the Commissioner may in his full discretion do whatever he likes, whenever he likes and everybody will have to comply basically, se a ki…

 

(Technical problem)

 

..Nou pa kapab annan en lalwa ki dir ki si en gard i bat en boug malapropo i pa’n swiv lalwa, sa i ok.  Same thing applies, mon konpran ki Commissioner i bezwen ganny serten pouvwar me i pa kapab annan en pouvwar   ki dir ki si son desizyon pa fonde lo lalwa sa desizyon i still valid, we are a country governed by a rule of law se lalwa ki gouvern nou, se pa personn, se pa okenn parmi nou ki gouvern lalwa, e sa mon krwar nou devret revwar. E i fasil pou revwar li, sa metod ki nou menm nou dan sa Lasanble toultan nou vwar se pou dir decisions done in good faith i ava ok, akoz manyer i ete la i en, mon pa pe dir pou arive me i en template pou donn en komisyonner en pouvwar fer en keksoz knowing ki i pa pe swiv lalwa e ki ekskiz li plitar.

Tan ki nou pa pe ganny problenm i oke, zour nou pou ganny en problenm nou pou realize ki sa lalwa i al enpe lwen. Donk mon ava demann Minis silvouple si ou ti a kapab sizer en fason ki donn Commissioner sa pouvwar ki i bezwen san donn li pouvwar pour li al an deor lalwa. Mon pa krwar ki se sa lentansyon, mon krwar ki se sa  lafason ki in ganny drafte e si se sa leka nou kapab revwar sa.

Clause 26(2), i the next one kot i annan en pti defayans. Clause 26 i donn pouvwar Commissioner ler i konnen en dimoun ki drwa tax pe ale pou fer en fason ki sa dimoun pa ale, e fason ki i fer sa se ki i raise en assessment, sa assessment i vin payable e tan ki sa dimoun pa’n peye oubyen pa’n fer laranzman ek li pou peye, sa dimoun pa pou kapab ale, set en fason ki egziste, e ki’n egziste, e ki pou egziste. Me kot i annan en pti problenm la se ki dan sa fason ki sa enn in ganny drafte, sa dimoun pa’n neseserman napa okenn lobligasyon lo sa Commissioner pour donn sa dimoun notis ki li  Commissioner i pe al rod en lord pou anpes sa dimoun sorti.

Anba sa clause 26(2) Commissioner i raise en assessment e apre i apply to the Supreme Court pou en lord, pou anpes sa dimoun sorti, that’s fine, me ou pa kapab fer sa dan labsans sa dimoun, ou pa kapab e manyer i ete la, napa okenn provizyon pou dir ki fodre ou notifye sa dimoun ki ou pe al apply devan lakour e i enn bann prensip lalwa ki ou pa kapab annan en lord ki ganny fer kont ou san ki ou ou’n ganny en sans pour ou eksplike ou lekor. E se ziz apre ki pou pran en desizyon sorry, ou leksplikasyon pa ase bon, mon pe anpes ou ale, oubyen non ou leksplikasyon i bon e mon pe les ou ale, e se sa konsern ki bann kontab in souleve anba sa seksyon kot aparaman mon pa konnen, mon pa en expert dan revenue law aparaman sa ti egziste avan e ler reprezantasyon in ganny fer, sa ti ganny tire e ou ti kapab selman anpes en dimoun ale ler ou’n fini donn li notice e ler in ganny notis ki i pa kapab ale. E la aprezan nou’n retourn lo sa ki ti la avan me ki ti’n ganny sanze e ankor ennfwa mon demann Minis revwar sa silvouple.

Clause 27 i donn Commissioner en lot pouvwar, i donn li pouvwar ler i annan en dimoun ki drwa taks pour met en charge, en mortgage lo later sa dimoun, setadir ki en zour si ou drwa taks ou kapab al dan biro lanrezistreman e vwar ki en lipotek in ganny mete lo ou later an faver the tax men pou ou peye. An prensip napa gran problenm, me fason ki sa in ganny fer, mon krwar i kapab ganny amelyore. E mwan mon annan en pwen personnel Mr Speaker, sa mo caveatable ki nou vwar dan clause 27(d) i pa en mo ki nou nou konnen isi Sesel, mon parye ki sa dimoun ki’n ede pou drafte sa i en Ostralyen akoz Lostrali ler ou pran en mortgage lo en later ou apel li en caveat, ‘I took a caveat on an island’, or ‘the bank has a caveat’ isi nou pa apel li en caveat nou apel li en charge. So mon ava sizere ki olye en caveatable interest nou met li en chargeable interest that’s the same principle ki vin en lentere ki kapab charge akoz nouvo mo pou mortgage dan nou zirisdiksyon se charge. Me son prensip, forget the wording, son prensip se ki tou sa ki  Revenue Commissioner i kapab fer se anvoy en notifikasyon kot Registrar General e Registrar General i anrezistre en lipotek. E sa ki bann kontab pe dir e ki mwan zot port parol ozordi e mon siporte se ki sa i kapab ganny fer apre ki lakour in donn en ruling. Nou annan lakour, les Commissioner apply avek lakour, ki i annan en taks liability ki en dimoun pa’n peye, les lakour  donn en lord ki sa i ganny anrezistre e les li ganny  anrezistre then. Menm si ou pa notifye sa dimoun, malgre ki mwan mon ti a prefere ki i ganny notifye, me menm si ou pa notifye li at the beginning les li annan en lot drwa de regar par en lot lotorite olye zis  the Commissioner li menm. Me nou bezwen annan, si napa notifikasyon i ganny fer avan, nou bezwen annan en makanizm pour ki sa dimoun, si sa charge in ganny mete malapropo, ki i kapab ganny tire e sa i vin lo mon next point ki 27(3).

27(3) i dir ki sa charge ki ganny mete, however i ganny mete pa pour ganny tire ziska ki Revenue Commissioner i advice Registrar General ki sa revenue has been paid.  Be si revenue atraver bann appeal etc. is not due,  ou charge pou reste la? It can’t be. It’s either, relate that the revenue, which the charge relates has been paid or is no longer – or the taxpayer is no longer liable to pay it. I bezwen annan sa posibilite akoz i tre posib ki en dimoun i ganny win son case kont en assessment e ki i pa bezwen peye oubyen ki i bezwen pey mwens. Alors ki si nou gard li la se ki the revenue to which the charge relates has been paid. Sa vedir ou bezwen  al pey tou pour ou kapab release menm si ou pa drwa tou oubyen ou pa drwa ditou. Alors la mon krwar bann kontab i annan rezon ler zot demann en asouplisman dan sa provizyon.

Clause 28 parey, i permet Revenue Commissioner dan sa enn antre dan lakaz en taxpayer, sezi son byen, ale vann. Mon konpran ki sa i bezwen – Commissioner i bezwen annan en posibilite pour li al kont byen en dimoun. Tou creditor i annan sa posibilite me si en dimoun i drwa mwan e ki mwan mon anvi al sezi son byen, i annan en prosedir ki mon bezwen fer kot mon bezwen al devan en lakour e ganny en lord. Mon pa kapab pran lo mwan menm ale e mon pa vwar akoz Revenue Commissioner pa kapab fer menm keksoz.

Menm pour bann Civil Confiscation Act ki nou pe fer anba NDEA, NDEA i bezwen al devan lakour a en serten moman pour li al zistifye akoz in pran en propriyete. Isi Commissioner pa bezwen pas devan okenn  lakour, i en lalwa lo limenm. Si li i antre kot ou i dir ou drwa mwan 150,000 roupi taks, ou vwar ou loto pe ganny trennen, ou pa kapab fer narnyen, zis ale soumet. Mon pa krwar ki se sa ki nou anvi. Nou  anvi donn Revenue Commissioner son pouvwar, sezi en byen me mon pa vwar akoz i pa kapab fer li atraver en lakour, tel parey en labank i bezwen fer li, tel parey en creditor prive i bezwen fer li, tel parey gouvernman limenm ler ou drwa li, i bezwen fer li.

Mr Speaker i annan en pwen lo clause 40, is the next one. Clause 40(2). 40(2) i permet, ou plito i dir ki si bann zofisye en konpannyen, bann direkter, whatever i fer en laranzman avek lentansyon oubyen lefe pou fer en lakonpannyen pa vin taxable, the current or future revenue liability, tou bann direkter dan sa lakonpannyen i vin liable pour sa taks lentere ek additional tax.  Mon napa okenn problenm ki ler en konpannyen i fer en  lofans ki se son bann direkter, oubyen son bann zofisye ki pey le konsekans. In any event enpe plitar i dir ki si sa dimoun pa ti konnen oubyen i pa ti derive okenn benefit, i pa liable. Lo sa pwen mon napa problenm.

Kot mon annan en problenm se dan son wording 40(2). Annou regard li byen.  If an arrangement has been entered into with the intention of rendering a company liable to pay its tax, mon konpran, sa i en lentansyon, nou get together e pour nou fer en tax avoidance scheme, sa i pa byen. But what about the rest – not with the intention that the effect is to render the company unable to satisfy a future revenue liability.  Si mwan avek mon direkter lakonpannyen nou dir, sa lannen ki pe vini, nou pou trade at a loss,  nou fer en desizyon ki nou pa pour fer en profi e si nou pa fer en profi, nou pa pour annan en tax liability. Sa seksyon pa permet mwan fer sa, who’s company is it? Eski mon annan en lobligasyon fer en profi zis pou taxmen anmas tax? Of course not. Mon free mwan. Si mon kontan pour run mon business at a loss e menm san lentansyon si menm mon pa deside – mon napa sa lentansyon me the effect of my stewardship of the company is that mon ganny en loss anba sa mon pou vin liable, how can it be? Si the effect of bad management means that the future tax liability is not met, (i.e) napa profi, mon vin liable, it’s too onerous, ou pa kapab. Nou devret les dimoun run son konpannyen mannyer i anvi, ler i fer son profi, si i fer en tax avoidance scheme la dakor ou a sot lo li. Si lefe en laranzman ki i annan se ki mon pa pour pey taks lannen prosenn, mon pa krwar ki se sa lentansyon, mon sir ki se pa sa lentansyon. Mon pa vwar okenn dimoun isi Sesel anvi met sa burden lo bann dimoun, bann direkter lakonpannyen. Alors mon ti ava swete Mr Speaker  ki Minis i reasir mwan lo sa pwen.

Clause 42, mon’n not ki Msye Richardson in dir mwan se ki son penalite i tro for. Anba clause 42 mannyer i ete si ou tarde pour ou lodge en tax return, ou bezwen pey en fine e son fine i pa terib me i still en fine. Sa ki mon’n ganny dir se ki i devret annan en legzanpsyon pour serten kategori biznes. E bann biznes kot napa en loss of revenue, setadir ki si ou pe al fer en nil return ou konnen ki ou’n trade at a loss ou pe al fer en nil return ki gouvernman pa pou annan en tax ki ou pe sey avoid, oubyen ou pe sey evade by sending in ou return an retar, ou pa devret annan en liabilityLiability i devret zis dan bann ka kot i annan en loss to the revenue.  Sa i pa oule dir  ki si ou pe al fer en nil return ki ou pa devret zanmen anvoy en tax return.  Non,  tou dimoun i bezwen anvoy en tax return se pour sela ki sa i vin compulsory. Me zot pe propoze ki i annan en dele letan ki ou gannyen fine free.  Zot in propoz 30 zour, si pou 30 zour ou late e ki pa pou annan en tax liability akoz ou pou lodge en return,  ki montre en nil liability, dan sa ka ou pa bezwen pey sa fine, sa fine i click in apre 30 zour. A small point me mon krwar i en pwen ki business friendly sirtou pou bann pti biznes, i very business friendly. Mwan mon annan en pti biznes, i kapab pli pti ki sa, i annan zis en dimoun ki travay ladan e still mon vwar li i annan defwa, mon enn de semenn an retar, mon pa kanmi pou dir ki la mon devan lakour akoz i annan en tax return ki mon’n….

Tax loss, napa nanryen pou peye but still mon devan lakour e mon pou ganny fine R1000 en zour me sa se bann keksoz ki nou devret sey avoid.

Clause 46 menm pwen sof ki son penalite i 3 fwa plis. Mon pa pour al ladan.

Msye Bernard Pool in anmenn a nou latansyon ki clause 43 refers to subsection 101(1) ki pa egziste. Ok you spotted that already. Mersi. La i annan en typo, so that has to be tidied up.

Clause 44(2) Additional tax. Additional  tax pour le moman i en additonal tax of 10% of the amount of unpaid revenue. Setadir ki si ou pa pey ou taks ler ou devret, ou pou bezwen sibir 10% anplis. Si ou an retar en zour oubyen si ou anretar 10 an ou pou pey 10% anplis. Bann kontab i krwar ki sa pa zis e i devret 10% per annum as opposed to 10%. Oubyen si i pou 10% flat rate pa fer li click in imedyatman kot en dimoun ki en zour an retar i sibir menm konsekans ki enn ki 3 mwan ou 4 mwan ou 10an an retar. There has to be a penalty for lateness e en lesser penalty for less lateness. Zot in sizere e mwan zot port parol ki zot 10% should be per annum rather than a flat 10% rate.

Clause 45, zot demann en definisyon of proper records e zot pwen se ki Commissioner i kapab  lans en lodit,  en back audit ziska 7 a 8 an a’n aryer e ou bezwen konnen – the taxpayer should know ki ras records ki i bezwen garde pou sa kantite letan. Small point, mon zis fer li.

Clause 47, mon annan en pwen personnel. Clause 47 i kree lofans pou pa comply avek sa Act e son minimum fine, minimum mon dir, over the page 47(1), son minimum fine se R50,000, no less than e anplis ki sa R100 par zour apre.  Enn bann keksoz pour kwa ou kapab ganny fine SR50,000 se ki ou pa’n comply paregzanp avek seksyon 23. Seksyon 23 son sel keksoz ki i demann ou se ki si ou vin en direkter, oubyen en trustee oubyen ou ganny apwente egzekiter ler en dimoun  in mor ou annan en peryod letan pou ou enform Revenue Commissioner ki ou’n ganny apwente. Si ou pa fer li, ou komet en lofans.  Mr Speaker SR50,000 si mon bliye dir avek Revenue Commissioner ki mon’n ganny apwente egzekiter, minimum SR50,000  is harsh, i eksesiv e i devret annan en – make the R50,000 maximum, pa fer li minimum. Les lakour al ziska SR50,000 me minimum of SR50,000. Dan serten ka i kapab aplikab me dan serten ka i pa.

Mr Speaker mon pe al lo finisyon, same principle applies pou clause 48.  Bann lezot pti pwen mon kapab skip.  Minis i annan tou sala, in any event, mon konnen in vwar. Napa nanryen ki  grab mwan malgre se bann pwen ki’n ganny fer sorti.

Mon a fini Mr Speaker avek clause 53. Clause 53 – en lofans ki en konpannyen i fer i ganny komet par son public officer, director, general manager, company secretary as well.  Bann kontab ki company secretaries in dir mwan ki en company secretary napa okenn pouvwar egzekitiv dan en lakonnpanyen, generally sa i zis en firm of accountants ki fer company secretaryship alors zot pa vwar akoz company secretary should also commit the offense ler i annan sifizaman zofisye, public officer, director, general manager etc. ki zot zot devret pe ganny sarze. There we are Mr Speaker, mon remersye ou pou letan ki ou’n donn mwan ek bann koleg Lonorab pour zot latansyon. Mersi.

 

HON MARIE-LOUISE POTTER

Mr Speaker mersi pou donn mwan laporol.

Mon krwar pou fer zistis avek tou bann dimoun ki’n fer bann reprezantasyon anver nou vizavi sa Bill i neseser ki nou kote osi i dir enn de pti mo. Mr Speaker mon ti a kontan port a latansyon Lasanble ki mon’n aport a latansyon Minis tou bann reprezantasyon ki mon’n gannyen lo sa size e mon’n osi aport a latansyon serten nou bann manm lo sa kote. An tou, mon’n resevwar en sekantenn konsern lo sa Revenue Administration Bill ki devan nou. E laplipar bann konsern i viz ver pouvwar eksesiv ki komisyonner taks i annan e osi lo sa size bann fines ki ganny aplike.

Me Msye Speaker sa pa mon problenm, sa i pa tro konsern mwan sa bann size ki mon asire Minis, mon swete rather ki gouvernman, Minis ava pran serten an konsiderasyon.

Sa ki trakas mwan avek sa Bill ki mon ti a kontan propoze se premyerman i vre ki sa Bill i enn ki annan plis ki 33 ledan, i vre dan le pase nou’n dir bann Bill pa morde, pa isi, pa laba be ou a krwar sa enn i annan ledan, i annan bango, i annan plis ki 33 ledan e i pou mord probableman tro for e petet tro angran, olye morde petet i pou anval dimoun. Sa i en pti pe koman en layperson lafason dapre ki mon’n lir sa Bill  2 fwa e mon’n sey mas li against tou sa bann konsern ki Lonorab Georges e Lonorab Ferrari mon krwar in souleve. Vwala lenpresyon ki mwan mon gannyen lo la.

Me mon osi realize ki ou a krwar sa Bill pe egziz 2 keksoz avek nou popilasyon oubyen nou kominote biznes. Pe egziz, enn lonnekte, e  pe dir nou bann business community nou pou apply zero tolerance avek lonnekte e 2 pe egziz en responsabilite ekstrenm lo lapar kominote biznes pour zot pran zot responsabilite vizavi kontribisyon ki zot ekspekte fer towards reveni gouvernman. Sa i byen.

Me pou retourn lo mon traka se mon santi ki paregzanp mwan mon’n ganny 50 ekek reprezantasyon lo la, lopozisyon probableman in ganny otan, i montre ki probableman with hindsight ti mert annan en lespas ant  letan ki Bill in ganny konsevwar e letan ki Bill  in ariv kot Lasanble. I devret annan en konsiltasyon menm si pa avek tou kominote biznes me serten reprezantasyon kle, paregzanp bann accountants, ti ava enn antre zot oubyen detrwa zot, bann tax agents detrwa reprezantan bann biznes, en pti pe parey sa dyalog ek sa lantant ki’n devlope ant Minister Finans ek lendistri touris. Me having said that mon osi realize e sa mon ti a kontan Minis i konpran mwan byen, mon realiz limit letan ki Minister Finans in annan pou  kapab met sa package,  sa reform pou anmenn li devan nou Lasanble on time ki mon konpran i osi enn bann benchmark nou reform.

Si mon ti kapab propoz en keksoz dan sa lalinny – lefe ki nou’n napa sa moman kot nou’n kapab … sa konsiltasyon akoz set atraver konsiltasyon ki tou sa bann shortcomings, ennler bann shortcomings ki vreman valab, parey nou’n tann detrwa la bomaten, i allow sa bann shortcomings to come to light e i donn nou letan pour nou kapab adres li.

Alors mon ti a sizere ki nou sezi sa ta pouvwar, sa eksesiv pouvwar ki Commissioner of Tax i annan anba sa Bill pour zisteman pouli servi son bann pouvwar, sa pouwar, sa diskresyon pou kapab annan en peryod – mon pa pour apel sa en peryod de gras me selman mon napa en lot mo pou dir kot sa peryod i ava ganny servi pou edik, akoz le premye zanvye sa madanm la ki annan ennpti biznes, en pti roulman, li giyotin pe esper li, i vyol enn sa zafer pa akoz i dezonnet oubyen i napa responsabilite me i pa konnen, i pa’n ganny enformen, i pa’n ganny edike e i pa konpran akoz mwan osi tou menm mwan mon’n lir, de fwa e li i pa pou ganny sans lir sa 2 fwa, mon still pankor ganny  byen metriz tou, alors mon kapab konpran ki i pou al pas ladan e  certainly mon anvi ki kominote biznes i konpran ki nou kote isi, menm si nou pou aprouv sa Bill pour bann rezon ki mon’n donnen, nou pa anvi ki zot vwar zot pe ganny met anba en presyon ki pa neseser, ki zot pe ganny harass par Komisyonner ki malerezman pou annan sa louvraz difisil pour li kapab enplimant sa.

Alors mon propoze ki internally kot Minister Finans mon konnen ki nou’n bidzet en bon pe larzan anba training fund, anba human resource development council, anba menm Minister Finans, mon krwar i annan ape pre SR10 milyon ki’n ganny mete pou fer tou sa bann training, reform dan taks. So mon sizere ki biro taks i antreprann sa travay ledikasyon, sa travay medya pour ki tou dimoun i konpran byen son drwa, son responsabilite e ki menm enstan nou pas byen nou mesaz, lonnekte e responsabilite se sa ki nou pe demande. Msye Speaker vwala ki mon ti a kontan dir lo sa i Bill an zeneral.

 

MR SPEAKER

Minister, reply.

 

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Mr Speaker mon ti a kontan remersye tou bann entervenan lo sa proze delwa ki devan nou. Mon ti a kontan komans par klarifye enn de bann pwen e sa i vize lo pwen ki Lonorab Ferrari ti fer sorti bomaten, akoz si nou mank li, nou riske mank lezot eleman.

Ozordi se en endividi ki pe fer  biznes ki lodge son return aktyelman me se lofis Komisyon Reveni ki fer assessment atyelman apre i donn notis e napa limit.   Me la anba sa lalwa i annan en sanzman konplet. Son sanzman se ki li i pou fer sa ki nou apel self assessment. I fer en self assessment, i pou respekte lalwa ki anmars, i pou lodge e lofis komisyonner reveni i annan 4 an li anba lalwa e nou’n fikse son limit dan lalwa, i annan en gran diferans. Donk sa se premye sanzman, i pa pour fasil  e nou pou bezwen eksplik dimoun ki sa i premye sanzman ki pe al arive avek sa lalwa.

Self assessment nou ki pe fer, nou ki dan biznes ki pe fer. I en sanzman fondamantal, rather ki nou spend en kantite resours, resours dan reveni pour nou al fer bann assessment parey nou ti pe fer avan. La tou dimoun i annan son responsabilite, i respekte lalwa e i lodge.  E li i annan 4 years pour li kapab fer sa. So mon vwar en sanzman fondamantal dan sa prosedir, dan sa sistenm limenm e nou devret rekonnet sa lalwa pe anmenn sa. Apre dezyenm lenformasyon ki mon krwar i enportan se lo kestyon – i en service tendered ozordi, Onorab Ferrari, internal, i pa dan lalwa, up to 30 days refund. E apre midi ler mon’n ganny sans koz ek bann zofisye reveni, zot in dir mwan zot pe fer li, zot pe pratik li ozordi me selman zot annan en maximum of 30 days pour zot fer bann refund. I annan en gran improvement ki’n ganny fer  lo sa sistenm. So mon vwar ki i annan ase sanzman ki pe ganny entrodwir lo la e mon’n ganny sans diskit avek zot seksyon 12 ki mon krwar nou tou nou pe koz lo la.

I vre ki nou pou bezwen respekte provizyon – provizyon tou lalwa i bezwen ganny respekte, nou pa kapab ignor sa provizyon e serten kestyon lenterpretasyon e petet la mon kapab enform zot, sa bann lalwa la, nou napa kapasite Sesel. Mon ti a kontan nou rekonnet sa dele letan ki nou’n annan pour nou kapab formil tou sa bann lalwa. E i vre ki nou’n bezwen servi ekspertiz, enn bann top expert ki travay lo bann taxation law ki ti vin isi Sesel, mon krwar zot in ganny sans vwar li dan bann prezantasyon, se li ki nou’n kontrakter pou kapab ed nou dan nou demars pou prepar bann lalwa.

I lentansyon gouvernman e osi Lasanble Nasyonal ki we have the best laws. E si Mr Speaker nou anvi perfeksyonn nou bann lalwa mwan mon dir let us kick start the process e i annan lalwa ki kapab retourn kot nou pour nou fine tune. Me pwen ki mon ti a kontan retire ozordi, eski Msye Speaker, serten bann proviso dan sa proze de lwa ki devan nou ozordi i an kontradiksyon avek bann prose ki normalman nou merit servi an relasyon avek laplikasyon Supreme Court. E mon krwar i annan 2 kestyon ki’n ganny leve bomaten. Enn par Lonorab Derjacques e lot apre midi par Lonorab Georges.

I pa lentansyon gouvernman pou antre an konfli direk avek bann proze e laplikasyon Supreme Court. Nou bezwen respekte li. I pa lentansyon gouvernman donn pouvwar absoli dan Komisyonner san ki i ganny lord avek Lakour. I pa lentansyon gouvernman ditou.  E si Msye Speaker nou krwar ki i annan serten bann seksyon ki lo boarder sa, nou korize Msye Speaker, i pa nou lentansyon. E petet si i annan en kestyon enterpretasyon Msye Speaker, akoz mon krwar i bann pwen ase serye, nou annan bann teknisyen la avek nou, dan committee stage enn de sa bann pwen nou kapab eklersi. Sa mon pe koz under your control there Mr Speaker. Nou nou pa anvi kree en lotorite ki ignor  lalwa, i pa lentansyon gouvernman absoliman. Me si i annan enn de bann proviso, nou annan bann dimoun la we can take it head on. That is the spirit ki nou ti anvi apros sa proze delwa Mr Speaker. Thank you.

 

MR SPEAKER

Nou a pran en vot lo deba zeneral, apre nou a deal ek sa kestyon committee stage.  Tou bann ki an faver? Okenn ki kont? Mon a ganny mwan en formal second reading.

 

ACTING CLERK

A Bill of an Act to revise and harmonise the rules relating to the administration of the tax laws of Seychelles and to ensure the efficient collection of taxes.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mon krwar nou pou bezwen ale dan sa committee stage sansan nou pou kit tro bokou pouvwar dan lanmen Minis pou sanz lalwa mannyer i ti a swete. Nou bezwen konkret pour nou rikord osi tou, kwa egzakteman ki le 2 Onorab ti pe koz lo la e kwa ki gouvernman i pare pou sanze.  This is the committee stage of the debate then you can actually participate in the debate.

 

Committee stage

 

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Mr Speaker with your permission I would like to formally introduce members of the team, Mr Rene Nusse is the Revenue Commissioner, Mr Kandambi, I think you all know Mr Kandambi from the AG’s Office and Mr Marcelo is a legal expert working in the office of the Revenue Commission.

 

MR CHAIRMAN

Nou a komans ek Onorab Georges, ou kapab fer ou lentervansyon a’n Angle ti a pli fasil pour tou.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mon pa pou al dan tou sa ki mon’n dir zis sa bout ki mon krwar ki nou devret sanze.

 

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Bann ki annan okenn konfli avek laplikasyon Supreme Court, lalwa Sesel.

 

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

..The first one by John Richardson is clause 26(2) in particular where the Revenue Commissioner may apply by affidavit to the Court for a restrain order against somebody leaving. That’s fine, I have no problem there, but I’d like  notice to be served at some point on the taxpayer. There should be a provision for notice.   That we recognize won’t always be possible, some ex-parte application will have to be made where the matter is urgent but where it is not, the proper procedure is for notice to be given.

 

MR MARCELO

Mr Speaker this is a power that as the Member correctly pointed out to be utilized in various exceptional circumstances. In a normal…. A person will be served with default assessment, bearing in mind that this legislation provides for self assessment but if the person has neglected to self-assess then a default assessment will issue. If that goes un-responded in those circumstances, the possibility of that person being totally non compliant, additional powers will be examined particularly if the person is suspected to depart Seychelles but as I said, it is a power that is…..but it’s a power that is limited to various special circumstances such as those. Normally the person will have plenty of notice for the fact that the liability is… as well as mean to substantiate the liability.

 

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

(off mic).. I have got no problem there but it’s actually in the restraining order that having been served with a default assessment, if he hasn’t self assessed, if the commissioner seeks a restrain order against him, the norm is that he should be advised of that so that he can make representations to the Court and it’s only in exceptional circumstances and for matters of urgency that that can be ignored. That’s what we would like to see. A statement that generally notice be given and it’s only in exceptional circumstances that it does not need to be given.

 

MR MARCELO

Mr Speaker the response would be that if a restraining order is issued that restraining order is itself capable of being challenged and of course it will inconvenience the person that is to substantiate the restraining order but as I said it’s a power that is being characterized as a reserved power to be utilized in various special circumstances.

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Mr Speaker I guess the point that is being made here is, the Revenue Commissioner’s interest is to have the money collected, ok, somebody is defaulted and by giving him notice that an order is being sought in court for him not to travel may be in itself this will get the person to move fast to pay the debt that is due and this resolves the matter. Whereas as it is now, I think more emphasis is being put on the issue of punishment that the person wanting to travel – Seychellois will probably  be coming back, it’s not a matter of somebody going away for good but it’s more a question of a punishment.

The way it is right now, the person gets to the airport, checks in and then gets to Immigration and Immigration says ‘sorry we have got an order and you cannot leave the country’. So if we can resolve the matter in a friendly way, then it will be best for the Revenue Commissioner and also for the person, so the case is resolved.

MR MARCELO

Mr Speaker like I’ve said being an extreme power is..

(Technical problem)

..engaged in practices  that is….  substantial tax liability and then fleeing the country.  It’s not a matter that is normally utilized against for example, an Australian against an Australian, it’s the departure that could be regarded as permanent.

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

But even then, if the person is informed,  I mean he can only take a plane to leave the country unless he decides to take a little fishing boat to go to Madagascar but most people would go to the airport but if that foreigner who intents to leave the country is given notice, he can come to court and probably I’m sure the judge will agree with the Revenue Commissioner that somebody is trying to invade paying taxes and therefore the same result can be achieved by giving the person notice and a right to be heard.

This is basically what we are saying.

MR CHAIRMAN

What he is saying is – I mean I don’t want to participate in the debate but what he is saying is that the notice can be challenged in court because a similar provision exists in the Public Health Act where a Public Health Commissioner has similar powers, so it’s not completely new to the laws of Seychelles. I’m talking about as a former Public Health Doctor.

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mr Speaker you have to be right, it’s an improvement on what used to exist at least you have to go to court, in the old days the commissioner could give a letter saying, ‘you can’t go’ and  boom, you couldn’t.  So great improvement, Thank you very much. What I’m suggesting is this, and forgive me Mr Kandambi if I make a suggestion what should really be coming from you – if in 26(2) where we say in line 3 the Revenue Commission may apply to the Supreme Court for, and the Court may issue’, what if we were to insert words between ‘may and issue, reading as follows:

..and the Court may except in exceptional circumstances having heard the person issue…   at least it puts some obligation on the Court to hear the person except in exceptional circumstances. I think this is all that we want.  The power remains, the power has to be exercised ex-parte sometimes we all..  that but when it’s not, just say ‘person is heard’. That’s basically what they want and   what I would advocate.

MR KANDAMBI

..this is actually no provision, we have a similar one in the social security legislation also. I don’t know whether the same….into that section but this is not an unknown provision. So we may I think accept this…

HON BERNARD GEORGES

That would be acceptable too I think..

MR CHAIRMAN

So can you repeat the proposed amendment then.

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mr Kandambi will put it in legal ease. But ‘and the Court may save in exceptional circumstances after having heard the person, issue an order preventing the person..’

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Ok.

MR CHAIRMAN

So what are the other issues.

HON BERNARD GEORGES

27(2), the charge.  Some provision there that the application – the Revenue Commissioner does not make the application directly to the Registrar but makes it to the Court, exactly the same as before and the court can order the charge, same sort of thing.

MR CHAIRMAN

27(2) and then there is the word caveatable.

HON BERNARD GEORGES

I would say chargeable interests.  I think that’s what we use here.  Caveats are not used..

I don’t know whether I should go into that now – 27(3) at the end – that the charge can be removed once the Revenue Commissioner advises the Registrar General that the revenue has been paid or satisfactorily dealt with – something like that because it may end up that it’s not paid.

MR CHAIRMAN

I ok Minis?

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Yes.

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Are we alright with that? Yes. Likewise 28 Richardson says, ‘requires a court order – distress and sale – same thing. Provision that that can be done be after an order of the court, 28. Full power to levy distress and sale but after a court order. That will click in with our code of civil procedure which – once again provision will have to be made for application to be made and the Court to issue an order.

I’m looking at the next one – the others were penalty matters, we have dealt with those.

Minister has dealt with those -101 the Minister said he has taken that in.

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Deleted..

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Really the only two remaining are the 10%, flat rate and the definition of proper records, in 45.

MR RENE NUSSE

Mr Speaker, I think to put this into context, what the Seychelles Revenue Commission is about is  to increase self compliance and in order to do that we develop a relationship between taxpayer and it’s our intention to  develop that relationship so that the taxpayer self complied, we don’t have to do audits, it’s cheaper from an administrative point of view from the commission, point of view that also from the clients point of view and this is why we are introducing the self assessment regime. Now that is one part of the argument. So some of these regulations and penalty provisions, they are implemented in a very short notice, so we definitely recognize that there should be an educational strategy and all this. So nobody is expecting the business person from the 1st of January to fully be aware of these liabilities so there will be an educational period, a grace period if you like.

So these penalties will apply but there will be certain discretion apply to it because when we ask people to self-assess that comes with a responsibility from my office to educate them. If you put in the ball, fair and squarely in the Court of the taxpayers to get it right and in order for them to do that, they need to have all the ammunition to do that. So they need to be educated.

Unfortunately the time frame that has been given to implement this substantial …. of piece of legislation, the time frame is very tight. So in an ideal world, we would have started this education campaign many months ago. Unfortunately the reality dictates that while the proposed bills are going through parliament we start the educational program now. That means that a certain period of time the laws will be in force and we would still be educating the business community. So there’s definitely a period of grace where we focus on education, and not on compliance and this might build a 6 to 12 months period.

On the issue of the 10%, when somebody lodges a form that is compelled through the legislation to be lodged at a particular date, compared to the old legislation, we look at it a little bit differently in the proposed… where we say, lodging is one thing, but paying the right amount is another thing, and we need to have businesses pay on time. I think everybody would agree with that because there’s a cost of money involved in that but we also need to get the information that determines if somebody is liable for a tax obligation or not. We need to get that in time as well because remember this is now a self-assessed system.

So if the Seychelles Revenue Commission doesn’t know what the businesses are doing then we have no ways of addressing this self-assessed system. So it’s very important that under the self-assessed umbrella we apply these two things separately, the lodging of the form, the information needs to be there and there are certain penalties if you get it wrong and the extra payment, if you are late or if you are wrong with the amount of liability that is due and we treat that separately as well. The 10% is for just getting the lodgment wrong and 99 out of a 100 that would be a timing issue.

So it is not a 10% that is an interest charge because that interest charge is applied for the liability that is due but wasn’t paid in time. So this is where we deal with interest.  It is not an additional tax,  it’s just a cost of money so people that do the right thing don’t face competition, that get a competitive advantage because the cost of money is now dealt with by the Seychelles Revenue Commission rather than via banking. So we want to make sure that by creating that level playing field people that pay late need to come up with the cost of money and we deal with that under the interest component.

The punitive component is purely separate to that.  This is where this 10% comes in.  It is not an interest, it is purely a punitive component and there are some discretionary allowances there like I’ve said before, in the first 6 to 12 months while the educational campaign is on the road, we can apply that discretion.  So I’m not quite sure the 10% is misunderstood or it explains a little bit awkwardly, but the 10% is purely a punitive measure based on the form being wrong or the form being not on time, that the actual liability that is due is dealt with under different provisions.

HON  B GEORGES

One final point. That’s understood, not agreed – if I come up with my lodgment form a day late and I have a tax liability of a million, it’s actually going to cost me a million one hundred thousand – call it a tax, call it whatever, call it interests – should be better off with 0.5% that would be – 10 is a big figure but anyway that’s what it is.

Mr Speaker the final point is minimum penalties. We,  on this side are not in favour of minimum fines, mandatory minimums which is what these are.

Under 47(1) there are some pretty trivial things which are liable to a minimum SR50,000 fine, over the page. So long as the Commissioner does not refer the matter to the Court and we expect that he won’t for misdemeanors, that’s fine. But if he ever does, then that actually removes depart of the Court to grant the an appropriate fine and the Court will do what is usually does and says, ‘I don’t like this anymore than you Mr Georges but you have to pay SR50,000’. And that’s what we are trying to get away from it. Why don’t you go along with a higher maximum instead of a threshold minimum and allow the court, knowing that the maximum is high, to impose an appropriate penalty.

MR RENE NUSSE

Mr Speaker, thanks for the question, I think it’s a pertinent one. What we are seeing at the moment is fairly frivolous court action where it’s profitable to take an issue to court compare to paying your tax liability. As soon as we are talking about the question through the judicial system any additional tax or interest components are no longer in the pictures. We are only talking about the offense. So somebody who has a liability normally will have additional tax, an interest charges of a certain amount.  Once this is escalated to the court, the additional tax and the interest charges are no longer part of the claim.  The only thing left is the liability and the fine that the court imposes.

Now the fine that the court imposes is often much less than the additional tax or the interest charge that was originally applied to the non-payment. So at the moment there is an infrastructure where it’s profitable not to pay your tax and to take to court for 2 reasons. That it delays the payments of the liability, but also reduces the total liability quite substantially.  And this is something that we have tried to mitigate by introducing minimum sentences for these offenses, minimum fines.

It is certainly not the purpose for the Seychelles Revenue Commission to put people in jail or to put people under a financial stress where the business cannot operate anymore because then we lose a taxpayer and that is bad for the country. So we are using this as a last resort.

So the taxpayer has an opportunity to sit down with the commission and discuss their issue and 99% of these cases are solved at that particular point in time. We are now introducing also the step where rather than going to the Supreme Court directly, there is this intermediate resolution system through the revenue tribunal, so any review  or position of the commissioner can be dealt with through there in a timely fashion.

If the taxpayer is not happy with that then there is the opportunity available to take it to the Supreme Court and the Court of Appeal after that if need be. So we have a large opportunity to sort these problems out before they become judiciary by nature. So again I would like to stress the point that to have an enormous fine and impose to a taxpayer is not our goal, it’s not a revenue collection method, it is basically a last resort, trying to persuade the taxpayer that paying the tax bill is really the best solution to  the system.

So we deal with taxpayers on a basis where we like to have compliant taxpayers, stay compliant and imposing big fines and imposing light interest components will not achieve that objective. So if somebody is compliant, we would like to keep it that way and we do that by trading fairly and equitably. But it’s for those taxpayers that are outside the loop altogether, they kind of  disengaged with the Seychelles Revenue Commission altogether or they have decided that the tax they are paying is for some reason not the tax liability that they have assist themselves – it’s for those taxpayers that at the end of the road there needs to a message saying that if you do not pay your tax liability then this is the result that will eventually happen.

And I think when we are talking about these penalties, we have to put it in the context of the proposed VAT that is proposed to be introduced in 2012. If we look at the Canadian model, Australian, New Zealand wherever you go throughout the world, where VAT is being introduced, because the VAT offers an input tax credit, there is an enormous opportunity for fraudulent activities.  And this Australian example, you know there were 6 billion Australian dollars set aside that the Government knew was going to be fraudulently extracted from the Government from the GST regime there.  And it was an acceptable risk, 6 billion we can deal with that. Now the number of course here are much smaller but there will be a substantial – people will try to abuse the system because it is proven that that is the case in other jurisdictions. So we need to have a very clear message that if you try to do the wrong thing, and you have to be intent to do that then there needs to be some consequences to that.

So this is not only in the context of Business Tax Act and the Excise Tax and the taxes that we’ve discussed currently but also in relation to the introduction of VAT and this is where the mandate and sentences become very important. To what the grid that is implemented, that is definitely a political position we have had some input to that, if those benchmark are deemed to be too high then it’s up to the government to discuss alternatives to that.  But on advisory level, I think we need to take into consideration that with the introduction of VAT there will be a certain level of fraud that hasn’t been experienced with business tax or the current GST regime and there needs to be something in place to mitigate against the fraud.

HON CLIFFORD ANDRE

Mr Speaker I heard Honourable Georges earlier talking about clause 12, there’s has been no mentioned with regards to clause 12. I am also of the opinion that clause 12 does give too much power. To me it cannot be legal to do something illegal and we cannot legalize it in a law.  So unless I’m convinced otherwise I would suggest that we can remove clause 12 completely and re-number the other clauses that follows.

MR CHAIRMAN

Suggestion to delete clause 12.

MR RENE NUSSE

Mr Speaker, thanks to the Honourable Member for his question. I think this is perhaps the greatest misunderstanding of all the issues that have been raised.  I would not be in charge of the commission where I can ignore the rules that are administered. This is definitely not the purpose behind this particular section. What we are talking about here is … issues that has been codified to some degrees that can be ignored in terms of substance over.. and I’ll give you an example.  In the Business Tax Act we might legislate that every year you have to submit a business tax return and on the business tax return shall be the date and there shall   be a signature of the person lodging that return. That is a codified issue, that is the law. If somebody then hands in a return, and there is something substantially wrong with that return under the self-assess system, then the return is not invalid just because the date has been filled out wrong, or the signature has been put in the wrong place.  So what we are saying in section 12 is that although the law says that the date needs to go in a particular part of the form, we going to disregard that part of the law. We say ok the date was put somewhere else or the date was handed in later, so in essence it is an unlawful return.  Should we rip it off and disregard the contents, the substantive contents? Now this is what section 12 is trying to avoid that any procedural law and maybe we can express it in a more clearer and less ambiguous fashion that these procedural issues should not stand in the way of substantial…

MR CHAIRMAN

Minister has indicated..

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

I think what we will – Mr Speaker with your permission will move for us to have an amendment here, in between the work ‘any provisions’ we include ‘procedural’ and that will take care of that…

HON BERNARD GEORGES

(off mic)

…I don’t often make, should we also bring in the concept of good faith  because he may well do something which is not entirely wrong but not in bad faith.  So I think that needs to be protected from that as well because otherwise it might be too onerous. Mr Kandambi knows this phrase, you know the one about anything done in good faith, you are not allow to.. ..in good faith.  Something to that effect.

Any procedural provision of the revenue law which has been, ‘may have not’ in good faith been complied with’.

(Interruption)

MR CHAIRMAN

So we will take one last comment, Honourable Derjacques.

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

Section 78(1) we are talking about an appeal to the Supreme Court so for the avoidance of doubt, because later on in subsection 78(3) we talk to appealing so a person dissatisfied with a decision of the Revenue Tribunal may ‘appeal’  to the Supreme Court against the said decision. So it’s an appeal on the merits and not a review like the judicial review.  I think that is clear – even downstairs you talk of appeal.

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Correct.

MR CHAIRMAN

So appeal instead of review.

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

78(6) we remove,  if it pleases you with leave of the Court of Appeal, we can leave it: ‘A party to a proceeding before the Supreme Court dissatisfied with the Court’s decision on an appeal from the review tribunal may appeal to the Court of Appeal or appeal to the Court of  Appeal with leave of the Supreme Court’. And then the lock locks in because if leave is not granted by the Supreme Court, then the provision of law says you go for special leave to appeal to the Court of Appeal. So the Court of Appeal rules will take care of the  others. So remove leave of the Court of Appeal and you can put there leave of the Supreme Court or, you can remove the requirement for leave absolutely and any appeal from the Supreme Court is… at the Court of Appeal. So it’s either one or the other. One is an automatic right of appeal to the Court of Appeal, the second is leave of the Supreme Court for Appeal to the Court of Appeal and then the natural law will click on, if the Supreme Court refuses leave to appeal, you go to the Court of Appeal for special leave to appeal to the Court of Appeal.

MR CHAIRMAN

Ok, then.. the Clerk and AG’s Office will take.. Onorab i annan ankor pou fer avek aspe legal.

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

Yes I’ve talked about 5 points. It’s very short akoz mon fer suggestion tou.

MR CHAIRMAN

Concrete suggestion.

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

71(3) when I asked the Minis if appointment of an ordinary member shall be made by the Chief Justice or by the Minister and that’s for the Minister to decide.

MR CHAIRMAN

Oke.

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

71(9) – where I asked the Minister that you don’t terminate – unable to perform the duties but to add’ ‘is unable to perform the duties of an officer due to ill health.’  So there is a reason Mr Speaker.

71(9)(c) – the Minister shall by notice in writing terminate the office of an ordinary member who (c) is unable to perform the duties of office – there must be a reason. So I’m thinking of due to ill health something to protect an ordinary member and I remind the Minister that the Chairman can designate a single member to officiate alone  as a revenue tribunal. Sa vedir en dimoun i kapab deside. That’s way it’s important.

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

(c) is ok, en health reason, it’s ok.

MR CHAIRMAN

To add ill health or to leave it as it is?

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

No to include.

(interruption)

MR CHAIRMAN

To include ill health.

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

55(1) – if a revenue proceeding has been instituted by an officer – apre 51(3), an appearance of an officer, the requirement that he must have a certificate of appointment by the Revenue Commissioner. He cannot just say, ‘I am representing the Revenue Commissioner’.  All your appointees should carry a certificate.

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

It’s ok.

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

So you just add certificate of appointment by the Commission.

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

That’s ok.

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

33(5) – This concerns a person who’s property has been seized. I stated Mr Speaker, ‘A person whose  accounts, document, or records have been seized under subsection (1) may examine them and make copies’ – I’m trying to impress  that we should perhaps substitute ‘may examine them’ with shall be entitled to examine them at the office of the revenue within working hours.

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

It’s ok.

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

And 49(5).

MR CHAIRMAN

We are all over the place.. you should have taken them clauses, like, you know group of clauses.

HON ANTHONY DERJACQUES

I don’t have a document to follow on, so….

The fine is 5 million and to imprisonment. 49(5) – a person who fraudulently obtains a taxpayer identification  – the penalty, not less than SR50,000  but not more than SR5,000,000 and to imprisonment – I’m praying for  and to, to be replaced with ‘or to’ to give the discretion to the Court…’and or’

(Interruption)

..yes but that’s left to the Court so it’s and or.

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Ok.

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

Thank you and finally 79, Hon Georges forgot to suggest to you Minister, replace ‘not less’ with ‘at least’.  The Commissioner spoke about that but that would have been my suggestion..

MR CHAIRMAN

Which clause is that

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

79(1) at the bottom – is guilty of an offense and on conviction is liable to a fine of not less than SR50,000 but not more than SR500,000.

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

We have agreed to the Commissioner’s position on that.

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

If the Commissioner therefore sticks to it, can we put ‘knowingly refuses or fails intentionally’.  If he simply fails because he is ill, he is still liable to SR50,000 minimum.  I fail to appeal upon summons to your Revenue Commissioner in tribunal, I cannot give cause why I should not be brought before the criminal justice court. So knowingly refuses is ok, I intended not to come – but if I fail, I may fail due to ill health or lack of transportation, this happens all the time. So fails intentionally without reasonable cause..

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Ok, Mr Speaker, it’s ok.

MR CHAIRMAN

So can we take a vote on the various amendments. All those in favour. So nou a retourn dan Lasanble. With the Bill as amended. Mon kapab ganny en motion for third reading.

(End of Committee Stage)

 

HON MARIE-LOUISE POTTER

Mr Speaker mon move ki the Revenue Administration Bill i ganny lir en trwazyenm fwa.

 

MR SPEAKER

Nou pran en vot lo the Bill as amended. Segonde Onorab Pool, pran en vot lo the Bill as amended. Tou bann ki an faver the bill as amended.

 

(interruption)

 

MR SPEAKER

You’re free to vote against, no problem. All those in favour anyone against. So third reading.

 

ACTING CLERK

This Act may be cited as the Revenue Administration Act 2009.

MR SPEAKER

Sa Bill in pase. 3.30. nou  apran en break ziska 4er.

 

(Break)

MR DANNY FAURE

….bilyon roupi e kot lekonomi Sesel ti’n kontrakte par mwens ki 9.6%.  Marketing Board ti ganny kree e vin an fors le 15 Oktob an 1984.

Marketing Board Sesel ti en lorganizasyon ki finansyerman ti viab ziska lannen 2003.  An mwayenn i ti fer en profi anyel R40 milyon.  SMB ti pey gouvernman Sesel an mwayenn en dividend anyel SR20 milyon.  A sak fwa ki SMB ti fer en lagrandisman oubyen en nouvo devlopman i ti servi son prop larzan.

Le 31 Desanm 2003 i ti’n akimil en rezerv SR367 milyon e i ti’n pey gouvernman Sesel en total SR372 milyon koman dividend.  Kont SMB ti ganny odite tou lezan par oditer ekstern IFRS, International Accounting Standards e KPMG La Frans ziska lannen 2005. e plitar  (BDO Stoi Howards UK) ziska ki Marketing Board Sesel ti ferm son loperasyon le 28 Fevriye 2008.

An 2007 desizyon ti ganny pran par gouvernman pou ferm SMB.  An tou SMB ti annan 21 unit endepandan e 3 subsidairies.

Swivan i bann divizyon e  unit ki ti ganny kree pou lenformasyon nou Lasanble.  Dan divizyon komersyal ti annan en unit lenportasyon, super market, eksportasyon, duty free, fri ek legim, unit pour lavyann, builders depot e unit lo Praslin.

Dan divizyon endistriyel oubyen manufacturing ti annan unit Agro, ti annan unit FoodPro, unit manze zannimo, hatchery, abatwar, faktori Bois des Roses, kanmaron lo Coetivy, hydroponics, dite ek café e Indian Ocean Nursries.

Dan divizyon servis santral ti annan sa ki nou apel treasury unit avek unit MV enterprise.

Dan sa 21 unit 8 ti komersyal, 11 ti endistriyel e 2 ti anba servis santral.  Anba servis santral treasury unit ti zer tou finans santralman an plis tou bann seksyon servis.

Dezyenm unit anba divizyon servis santral ti MV Enterprise parey mon’n enformen.  Koman ti bann diferan unit SMB ti ganny likidet.  Dan plas SMB, 5 lakonpanyen prive  ti ganny formen.  Premyerman lakonpanyen Food ProUnit Food Pro ti premye pou ganny privatize, sa ti ganny fer atraver en management buy out. I ti komanse son loperasyon koman en lakonpanyen prive le 1 Zanvye 2008.

Lezot 4 lakonpanyen ti komans zot loperasyon aparti le premye Mars 2008.

Seychelles Trading Company; Seychelles Trading Company ti pran sarz tou bann unit komersyal e 3 unit endistriyel.  Pou komanse STC ti pran sarz loperasyon sa 9 unit swivan:

Premyerman, Import whole sale unit, ansyen unit enportasyon SMB ti pe fonksyonn avek 4 warehouse pou bann prodwir esansyel lo Latanier Road en warehouse pou prodwir non esansyel lo lavenir Bois de Roses e en warehouse pou raw materials ki ti baze nouvo por.  Gouvernman ti deside ki Seychelles Trading Company i pran sarz zis bann warehouse ki ti lo Latanier Road.  Warehouse Bois de Roses ti ganny donnen koman kontribisyon 30%  gouvernman dan nouvo joint venture Casis avek Geant Casino.

Unit supermarket.  Ansyen supermarket SMB ti annan 3 fonksyonn endepandan, supermarket prensipal, meat corner avek sa ki nou apel hotel shopHotel shop ti ferm son laport le 28 Fevriye 2008.  Pandan 2009 atraver prosedir tender gouvernman ti privatiz meat corner.  Nou annan duty free, unit fri ek legim, unit lavyann, unit wholesale Praslin avek La Digue, unit dite avek kafe avek unit abatwar.

Aparti le 1 Mars 2008 STC ti pran sarz loperasyon sa unit avek SMB, me plitar gouvernman ti deside privatiz sa unit e ti ganny pas avek lasosiasyon fermye Sesel dan lannen 2009.

Faktori Bois de Roses.  Anba SMB sa unit ti annan 5 diferan sub-unit e zot ti pe fonksyonn anba en sel twa, set a dir delo dan boutey, toilet paper, pasta, snacks ek savon.  Pou komanse desizyon ti pran pou STC gard selman 2 sub-unit e sa ti toilet paper e dezyenmman delo dan boutey.  Plitar faktori delo ti osi ganny privatize atraver en tender process.  Aktyelman zis faktori toilet paper ki ankor pe operate anba parasol STC.  Sa 3 lezot faktori non esansyel set a dir pasta, snacks e savon ti osi ganny met lo tender.  Me ziska la zis faktori savon ki’n ganny privatize.  In napa gran lentere pou faktori pasta avek snacks.

Faktori bottle in line.  Okomansman STC ti pran sarz loperasyon sa faktori me plitar sa faktori ti ganny privatize dan lannen 2009 pou vin soleil company atraver en tender process.

Lakonpanyen Agro.  Ver lafen 2008 lakonpanyen Agro ti ganny privatize atraver en tender process.

Faktori Animal feed ek hatchery unit; Aparti le 1 Mars 2008 sa unit ti pe fonksyonn anba en nouvo management Seychelles Hatcheries and feed company limited. Aparti Zanvye 2009 gouvernman ti transfer tou bann assets pou nanryen avek lasosiasyon fermye  Sesel.

Plitar dan 2009 unit abatwar osi ti ganny detase avek STC e ganny pase avek lasosiasyon fermye Sesel.

SMB Coetivy prawn unit e Coetivy Island; aparti le 1 Mars 2008 unit kanmaron SMB e unit zil Coetivy ti pe fonksyonn anba nouvo lakonpanyen Coetivy Prawns limited.  Tar dan lannen 2008 avek logmantasyon dan pri fuel e devaliasyon nou roupi, profitabilite sa lakonpanyen ti ganny seryezman afekte e gouvernman ti deside pou ferm sa lakonpanyen.  Sa lakonpanyen ti aret son loperasyon le 31 Desanm lannen 2008.  Aktyelman sa lakonpanyen i anba likidasyon e gouvernman in pas day to day management avek IDC.

Indian Ocean Nurseries and Hydroponics unit SMB.  Dan dezyenm parti lannen 2007 sa 2 unit ki ti pe kontinyelman fer perd ti gradyelman fermen e zot ti konpletman fermen le 31 Desanm 2008.  Gouvernman in fini repran posesyon later e bann batiman Barbarons avek Anse Aux Pins.

Unit materyo konstriksyon SMB.  Aparti le 1 Mars 2008 loperasyon sa unit ti ganny redwir e ti ganny entegre avek unit enportasyon STC.  Later ek batiman ki SMB building material unit ti pe okipe Huteau Lane ti ganny lease avek Pension Fund.

Unit export SMB.  Dan lepase sa unit ti eksport fler ION, ver Dubai e bio-tea ti ganny eksporte ver Langleter.  I ti osi aste kannel lo marse lokal, eksport ver marse enternasyonal. Loperasyon sa unit ti arete le 28 Fevriye 2008.

Langazman asosye avek subsidairy SMB,  Kreol l’or, klasman shares ordiner, equity capital 50%, kontrol 50%, pei enkorperasyon isi Sesel.  Drafix limited, -___ shares, equity capital 50%.  Kontrol 50%,  pei, Langleter, Distafric ordiner 50% equity capital, kontrol 50%  pei anrezistre, Sesel.

Drafix Services Limited ti ganny anrezistre an Langleter le 28 Novanm 1984 avek en share capital 10 mil liv sterlen, 50%  par SMB e 50% par Msye Bill Dixon, rezon pensipal sete pou donn bann minister e bann lakonpannyen paraetatik bann posibilite pou konpare pri ki Drafix i kapab ofer avek pri lezot suppliers. Drafix ki pey SMB  en total 29,230  liv sterlen koman dividend.

Gouvernman pe travay lo dispozisyon par SMB dan Drafix. Premye ofer pou ganny fer avek Msye Bill Dixon.

Distafric Company Limited, sa lakonpannyen ti ganny enkorpore le 21 mars lannen 2000 isi Sesel avek en share capital 34,000 liv sterlen. 50% par SMB e 50% par Bill Dixon. Pwen santral distribisyon bann prodwir Epson ver lafrik ti ganny fer par Msye Dixon e an rezilta lakonpannyen Distafric ti ganny kree pou fer sa loperasyon. Bann prodwi ti ganny enporte dan SITZ sorti Lasin par bato e re-eksporte ver bann pei Lafrik par avyon.  Distafric ti aret son loperasyon ler Epson ti pran responsabilite pou fer distribisyon son bann prodwir ver Lafrik limenm.  Distafric i akyelman anba likidasyon.  Kapital ti ganny re-distribye avek bann shareholders an Zanvye 2009.  Pandan sa bann lannen Distafric in pey 352,500 liv sterlen plis capital redistribution lo zot lenvestisman orizinel ki ti 17 mil liv sterlen.

Creole L’Or limited.  Creole L’Or Limited ti ganny anrezistre isi Sesel an 1990.  Avek en share capital R725 mil, 50% par gouvernman Sesel e 50% par pou Msye Claudio Izzi ek son bann partener etranze.  Par 50% gouvernman ti ganny transfer avek SMB an 1996.  Seksyon lor i fabrik bann bizou lor 18 kara ki ganny fer aparti bann materyo lokal e enporte.

Seksyon craft i prodwir bann lartik selman aparti bann materyo lokal.  Bann prodwir i ganny vann lo marse lokal prensipalman avek bann viziter.

Depi 1996 ziska 2008 SMB in resevwar en total dividend R3.1 milyon.  Gouvernman in finaliz transfer par 50% SMB dan Creole L’Or avek Msye Claudio Izzi avek son bann partener pou en sonm 140 mil ero.

Bann ansyen travayer SMB; Dan bann letan kot SMB ti pe perform a son maksimanm i ti annan antou en total 1900 anplwayer e i ti pli gran anplwayer isi Sesel.  Lafors travayer ti gradyelman redwir boner lannen 2008.  Lo Mahe bann travayer lokal nou ti annan 1235, lo Coetivy ti annan 28 konpare avek bann expariate, ti annan 18 lo Mahe e 227 lo Coetivy.  Distribisyon bann zonm ek bann madanm koman lafors anplwaye, 692 zonm e 816 bann madanm.  Laplipar bann staff loperasyon ti ganny re-anplwaye par sa 5 nouvo lakonpanyen.  An plis 106ansyen travayer sekirite SMB ti form en lakonpanyen sekirite kot zot tou zot ti ganny abzorbe.  An total apepre 300 anplwaye ti ganny fer redundant.  Gouvernman koman e zes bonn volonte pou zot lontan servis ti ofer sa bann ansyen travayer SMB 4 mwan saler aparti Mars 2008 ziska Zen 2008 par lao zot bann lezot benefis.  Osi gouvernman ti ofer  lo nivo kominote pou sa bann ansyen travayer.

Konklizyon, aktivite prensipal SMB ti pou asir disponibilite a en pri abordab pou bann prodwir debaz lo en plan lonterm.  An plis ki son lobzektif prensipal SMB in osi agrandi e konsantre lo bann prodwir lokal sa ki nou apel made in Seychelles.  Bi prensipal pou al dan fabriksyon  bann prodwir lokal, sete pou kree lanplwa e anmenmtan koup lo depans foreign exchange. An konklizyon, lamazorite popilasyon Seselwa pou aksepte ki SMB in atenn son lobzektiv la ki nou’n antre dan en nouvo letap ekonomik. Mersi Msye Speaker

 

MR SPEAKER

Deba i ouver.  Okenn ki oule entervenir, Onorab Ferrari.

 

HON JEAN-FRANCOIS FERRARI

Mr Speaker vi ki i annan bokou manm Onorab isi dan sa Lasanble ki pli zenn ki mwan e ki pa’n viv dan bann lannen SMB, mon ti a kontan fer okomansman en pti retour a’n aryer zis pou mwan aplik sa prensip ki ansyen Prezidan Rene i kontan aplike, fodre ou konnen kot ou sorti pour ou konnen kot ou pe ale.  Alors mon ava zis dir detrwa mo kot nou sorti.

An 1984 en desizyon ti ganny pran pou etablir Seychelles Marketing Board, mon ti a kontan zis profit sa lokazyon pou dir ki se sanmenm sa lannen ki Maxime Ferrari ti resign dan gouvernman e sa sete enn bann rezon akoz i ti resign akoz i pa ti believe ki en pei ti merit antre dan komers. Donk SMB ki’n ganny etablir pou li kapab anmenn bann prodwir debaz dan en fason regilye e a en pri stab parey son bann lobzektif i site pou lepep Seselwa in komans son aktivite esansyelman dan lenportasyon e dan retail.  E mon ti a kontan dir avek bann manm isi ki dapre lenformasyon ki mwan mon annan e posibleman ki Minis osi i annan sel bann seksyon SMB ki’n profitab pandan apepre 20an se bann seksyon kot SMB in fer komers.  Lot lanmwatye son aktivite sete bann aktivite prodiksyon e se dan sa bann aktivite ki non selman SMB in perdi en kantite larzan me selman in detri fabrik ekonomik Sesel.  Ozordi nou retrouv nou 20an apre avek en fabrik prodiksyon konpletman detri e ki pe soufer pou li kapab rekonstrir e anmenn enpe prodiksyon dan nou pei.

Mon bezwen fer mazinen ki se dan sa bann lannen kot en fermye ti napa drwa pou li annan en vera kot li, kekfwa sa pou bann dimoun ki enpe pli zenn zot ava vwar li enpe drol me ti annan en lord ki ti dir ki si ou sonny koson ou napa drwa annan en vera kot ou, ou bezwen pran ou bann koson e anmenn swa kot SMB pou angrosi li, mon servi en bon mo oubyen ou ti bezwen aste bann pti koson dan laferm ki SMB ti prodwi bann pti koson.  Sa ti enn bann laspe esansyel ki’n fer ki prodiksyon zannimo dan Sesel in vreman soufer en kantite e ozordi ankor nou’n vwar ki bokou nou bann fermye in perdi zot konesans, zot travay e zot in sorti dan sa metye.

Sa bann prensip ti aplik partou, tou kontrol ti ganny mete lo prodiksyon poul, lo prodiksyon lavyann bef, lo prodiksyon legim.  Ti annan en serten moman kot larantre bazar, bann dirizan Marketing Board sa lepok, Fruit and Vegetable Division ti vin avek gard pou aret bann fermye ki ti’n desann avek zot legim dan zot pick-up pou anpes zot vann akoz zot ti bezwen vann avek SMB.  Sa sete larealite e bann ki annan bann degre ekonomis parmi nou ava konpran poudir se bann model ekonomik ki ti doom to failure e se egzakteman sa ki’n arive.

Alors gouvernman atraver Seychelles Marketing Board in al dan trading.  E mwan mon ti ava dir ki vi ki SMB ti’n pran monopoli, mazorite si non tou bann prodwir debaz, bann prodwir de premyer nesesite zot ti’n pran kontrol total e se zot ki ti enport tou diri, tou lantir, tou disik, tou disel eksetera lalis i vreman long i ti pou vreman en ironi listwar si SMB pa ti’n fer profi dan trading e zot in fer profit.  Zot in fer profi, zot in gard bann pri pli zoumwen stab pandan sa bann lannen me selman bann pri stab me o. Ozordi 20an apre nou vwar ki bann enportater prive pe enport diri pli bonmarse ki SMB ti pe vann avek nou 10an pase.  Donk, stab wi, me o, r se pou sa ki mwan aprezan mon pou vin lo bann metod ki SMB ti aplike pandan sa bann lannen e ki fer ki mwan mon kapab dekrir zot koman bann lorganizasyon, bann sistenm komers preski kriminel.

Annou komans par son premye, komans par komansman.  An 1985 mon ti retourn Sesel pou mwan vin travay, mon ti al travay NYS e mon ti vwar lo notice board NYS en memorandum ki ti dir tou sa ki ou aste pou NYS ou bezwen pas atraver Drafix.  Minis taler in dir avek nou ki Drafix ti sipoze source the cheapest pou benefisye consumer me selman ti napa okenn kontrol, tou keksoz ti bezwen pas par Drafix.  In nonm SMB ti annan 50% apre ti annan en lot msye plitar nou ava vin lo sa msye.

Finalman nou’n set up en konpannyen ki’n supply Sesel, tou bann minister dan Sesel pandan plis ki 15an e Minis i dir avek nou ki mon krwar in donn gouvernman dividends apepre 27 a 37 mil pound, oubyen 300 ekek mil pounds apre 15an trading.  Mwan pour mwan sa i pa akseptab, mwan pour mwan se la kot premye bann frod ti komans ganny komet a’n apwentan en sel dimoun e an metan en memo ofisyel sinyen par Prezidan Larepiblik ki ti sinny sa memo, akoz i ti Chairman SMB e i ti sinnyen limenm.  Donk se la kot problenm in komans al mal.

E pandan sa bann lannen SMB san okenn kontrol, san okenn verifikasyon konpetitivite, san okenn fair trading practices ki ozordi nou pe koz lo la SMB in rule sistenm komers avek en lanmen feray e zot in donn dividends R300 ekek milyon pou Sesel preski a’n antye.

Pou sa 20an trading SR15 milyon par  an pou mwan i pa en gran larzan me zot in fer sa e rezilta se ki bann serten biznes in bezwen fermen akoz zot pa ti kapab compete, pei in perdi reveni, ti napa okenn kontrol lo bann aktivite reel e i pa en azar pou nou aprann ozordi ki bann oditer SMB pa ti bann oditer lokal ti bann oditer etranze, sa mon a les zot apresye zot menm ki konklizyon ki zot anvi fer lo la me selman nou’n vwar poudir sa sitiasyon ki pa ti en bon sitiasyon in ale pandan 20an.

E koman SMB ti ganny dirize?  SMB ti ganny dirize par en Chairman avek en board of directors.  Fer mwan mazin en avoka Morisyen ki ti enfwa ekout en case an Moris, SMB kont enn son kliyan e ler i ti demande lekel Chairman SMB avoka SMB ti dir Prezidan Larepiblik e tou dimoun dan lakour laba Moris ti riye e i ti repet kestyon pou dir li be ou’n mal reponn, me i dir non, non, non Prezidan Larepiblik.  Ti fer headlines dan bann papye akoz sa ti bann sitiasyon unprecedented anywhere around the world.  Donk SMB ti ganny dirize par Prezidan Larepiblik koman son Chairman e i ti apwent bann direkter e en managing director ki mon krwar nou’n annan en sel managing director pou sa bann lannen sete Msye Mukesh Valabhji.

Donk pandan tou sa bann lannen SMB in ganny ran koman en lorganizasyon politik. Bann travayer SMB ler eleksyon ti arive zot tou zot ti ganny en parasol avek en cap, avek en bwat take away dan midi pou desann, pou al anvil pou zot al marse, pou zot al siport bann dimoun ki ti pe donn zot sa lanplwa.  Ler ti fer piknik SMB oubyen piknik parti SPPF Port Launay tou dimoun ti ganny drafte e ti ganny marshal down e tou dimoun ti bezwen raport Port Launay.  Donk se sa larealite ki nou’n bezwen viv atraver pandan tou sa bann lannen.

Ozordi Mr Speaker SMB, sa Act i devan nou pou nou repeal legzistans SMB.  Mon ti a kontan dir ki parey nou ti er pou NYS, parey nou ti fer pou Foreign Exchange Act nou pou les avek zot sa plezir pou zot repeal.  Mon krwar it’s only fair ki nou kit sa avek zot e ki sa ki’n soz son soz i soz limenm.  Ozordi Minis in fer nou tou sourir en pti pe parey  – mon pa rapel si Minis menm ki ti vini, Minis Finans pou fermtir NYS kot ti dir nou nou pe fermen akoz ti en gran sikse.  Ozordi nou pe ferm SMB akoz i ti en gran sikse.  Donk vi ki son sikse i telman gran nou bezwen ferm li akoz in tro depas nou sa sikse.

Donk ozordi nou retrouv nou donk devan sa Bill.  Me selman anvan ki zot vot lo sa Bill mon krwar ki nou tou isi dan sa Lasanble nou annan en devwar pou nou demann avek Minis bokou plis presizyon ki Minis in donn nou.

Nou dan en nouvo letap nou bezwen konn enpe plis lo bann det sa lakonpanyen akoz i ti en lakonpanyen kolosal, ti en gro lakonpanyen avek bokou assets e nou nou pou annan kestyon lo tou sa bann assets akoz mon santi ki tou sa bann keksoz i bezwen if they are going to be put to rest, might as well donn li en bon lanterman e akonpany li kot i merit été e fer sir ki in byen kouver.

Alors i annan bann keksoz ladan parmi sa bann units ki nou nou pou bezwen ganny enpe plis leklersisman, Minis.  Koriz mwan me mon pa’n tann ou nonm Seychelles tea and coffee company,   oun mansyonnen?  Oke paregzanp pour sa enn la mon krwar i esansyel ki la ki nou pe wind up SMB enn son unit Seychelles Tea and Coffee company nou ganny enpe detay ki’n arive avek tou son bann assets.  Akoz over the years son bann assets in ganny koup enpe par bout, serten kare later ki ti form parti Seychelles Tea and Coffee company in ganny vann e dapre lenformasyon son managing director in vann avek son prop lekor konmsi nou ti a kontan konnen si i akseptab, si sa in ganny ratified konmsi koman en prosedir ki oke oubyen eski sa larzan i still owed to SMB.  Mon pe lev sa pwen akoz i annan plizyer pwen ki lezot bann manm isi ti a kontan koz lo la, pou nou kapab fer sir ki tou bann bout nou larises i finalman in retourn pou lepep Seselwa.  Mwan isi lo nou kote napa personn antre nou ki pe demann okenn bout ladan nou pe zis demande ki sa bann keksoz i retourn pou lepep Seselwa.

Minis kekfwa i ava dir nou enpe pli an detay ki bann seksyon, ki bann assets ki ti ganny lwe, ki ti ganny lease avek gouvernman akoz i annan bokou bann bout, bann teren sirtou, bann warehouses eksetera apre ti annan bann bout ki ti owned wholly owned by SMB zot menm e zot in ganny vann, disposed of. Mon ti a kontan profit sa lokazyon osi pou nou ganny en pti leklersisman avek Minis akoz mon’n demande sa leklersisman lo deba lo bidze me selman Minis pa’n donnen, kekfwa i ti en detay me la i nepli en detay. Minis in dir nou ki an lannen 2009 ti annan 103 milyon ki’n ganny kolekte par lavant bann assets, selman Minis mon ti a kontan retir ou latansyon ankor, dan revenue side, dan receipt side of the budget napa sa sonm larzan, mon napa li avek mwan me i annan SR30 ekek milyon ki’n antre, ki’n ganny kolekte dan kont gouvernman e si mon’n konpran byen, sa sonm sete pou privatizasyon serten unit SMB.

Donk ankor ennfwa mon ti a kontan demann avek Minis oli sa larestans larzan, eski zot in ganny bann terms of payment sa bann dimoun ki aste, i annan bann dimoun ki’n aste ki’n rann, i annan bann dimoun ki’n aste e zot in refize peye konmsi donn nou bann detay pour nou kapab fini avek sa lanterman dan en fason ki i devret ganny fer.

Msye Speaker avan terminen mon ti a kontan dir avek nou isi dan Lasanble, mon ti a kontan dir avek tou dimoun ki nou, nou isi dan Lasanble nou priye ki se sa ki gid nou aksyon isi dan sa Lasanble, antouka lo nou kote mon krwar se sa pou nou rod sa ki pli byen pou lepep.  Nou ti fer en komitman ki SMB se enn sa bann konpanyen ki bezwen ganny odite, bokou pli pre e ki nou bezwen asire ki i pa’n annan okenn frod e ki sa 2.5 bilyon ki deor napa larzan SMB ladan.

Mwan mon lapel pou gouvernman se pou gouvernman fer sa lodit e convince atraver en lodit endepandan ki that is the case, me si sa pa ganny fer, mwan mon komitman pou travay pou lepep, pou byen lepep se pou ale dan sa direksyon pou nou rode akoz en kantite larzan in ganny perdi, in ganny gaspiye atraver sa SMB.  Donk se en komitman ki nou ti fer semenn pase e ki nou refer ankor sa lannen e mwan mon ti a kontan, mon ti a’n hope ki nou ti ava annan en pti pe plis letan pou nou kapab pursue sa deba me mon asire ki mon bann koleg isi dan Lasanble e mon asire ki bann dan parti mazoriter osi i ava entervenir pou ed nou to put this matter to rest once and for all e ki nou rekomans pou nou fer keksoz byen.

La nou’n vwar sa ki SMB in montre nou napa okenn liniversite dan lemonn ki ti kapab montre nou.  What not to do with public money.  Se sa, e mon mazinen poudir kekfwa en zour, kekfwa mwan menm mwan en zour mon ava ekrir en liv, en economic treaty what not to do with public money e sa i ava ganny servi atraver lemonn, konmsi koman bann legzanp dan bann pei ki bann experiment ki ou pa fer.

An konklizyon Mr Speaker, Minis nou ti a byen kontan si ou kapab donn nou ki bann outstanding liabilities ki swa pou SMB limenm avek lokalman e enternasyonalman e bann outstanding liabilities under guarantees from government pou nou at least annan en lide kote nou ete a sa moman la e ou ava osi kekfwa pran sa lokazyon pou nou esplik nou sa R60 milyon an gro ki ti ganny mete dan sa bidze siplemanter ki nou pa’n ganny bokou lenformasyon lo la, ki’n ganny servi pou liquidate SMB, osi sa si ou kapab met sa devan nou, mon krwar ki lepep Seselwa ti a kontan konnen ki’n arive avek son larzan.  Meris MR Speaker.

 

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

Mr Speaker nou ti ganny sa Bill ki date le 7 Desanm 2009 e ti ariv kot mwan paregzanp le 11 Desanm 2009 ansanm avek en kantite lot travay ki Minis ek Speaker ti anvoy kot nou.  Alor mon napa en speech prepare ki mon kapab donn sa latansyon ek sa listwar ek analisis ki SMB i dwatet ganny espesyalman son repeal finalman apre plis  ki 25an ki in ganny kree.

Mr Speaker Minis ler in koz lo kreasyon SMB in donn son bi dan ler i ti ganny kree paregzanp in dir in ganny kree pou anmenn marsandiz ek bann goods into Seychelles a en pri affordable, e i pou fer sir ki pou annan bann pri stab ki available osi pou tou pep Seselwa, mon krwar sa leplikasyon i tro senp.

Mwan mon ava seye pou dir akoz ki SMB ti ganny kree, me pou fer sa mon pou bezwen koz lo politik ek filozofi SPPF/SPUP akoz enn i anmare avek ideolozi lot.

Mr Speaker ler Msye Rene ti form SPUP, Seychelles People United Party sa ti form li koman en parti politik pou anmenn lendepandans e mansipasyon kont colonialism isi dan Sesel e i ti antre dan eleksyon e i ti perdi 3 fwa, i ti ganny bate avek Democratic Party led by Mancham.  Finalman i ti bezwen antre dan en gouvernman koalisyon, apre ki ti annan negosiasyon Langleter e mwan mon’n konn byen akoz tou mon bann dalon ki ankor mon bann best friends ti menm partisip dan sa bann meeting Malborough House, kekfwa bann ki zenn pa konnen tousala, nou pe dir zot la, nou pe akont zot e Jean Francois i konnen akoz son papa……..

 

MR SPEAKER

Relevance, time, is of essence Onorab.  Go back to SMB.

 

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

Ler SPUP ti deside ki i pou bezwen pran pei atraver en koud eta, apre an 1978 i ti form en progressive front e nou bezwen konpran ki  sa i vedir progressive front.  Son politik ti baze lo socialism savedir, Marxism, Leninism e son lekonomi, la ki nou vin lo la, son lekonomi Mr Speaker  ti baze lo pou kree en pei ki working class, sosyalis, progresis ou bezwen kontrol leta lo lekonomi.  Sa i centralised plnaning. Politikman democratic-centralism ekonomikman centralised planning zot ti deside ki zot bezwen kree a classless society kot napa eksplwatasyon. Sa ki ti zot bi. E alors zot ti bezwen   detri sa ki ti la e SMB ti sa gro bebet parey nou kontan dir ekonomik ek politik ki ti bezwen fer sa travay.

Mr Speaker ler komite santral ti deside lekel ki pou ansarz SMB, defen Guy Sinon ti dir mwan ki i ti deside ki Prezidan Albert Rene i ava met li ansarz, me en pti boug Azyatik ti’n fek pas son masters Lanmerik, i ti vini e dan detrwa meeting i ti nobou persuade Prezidan Rene ki met li ansarz e li i konnen kimanyer pou fer sa bann manivre pou fer sir ki SMB i ranpli sa rol.  E mon konn byen akoz ler defen Guy Sinon ti mont Langleter mon ti zwenn li dan son lotel Central London e i ti plere ler i ti akont mwan kimanyer i ti ganny ignor  akoz i ti krwar li ki ti pou vin Sef SMB, e mon ti koz avek li e i annan bann dimoun ki ti la dan sa lasanm ki plitar e i kapab konfirm sa avek zot.

Alor Mr Speaker ki nou ti annan?  Nou ti annan en sosyete prezan ki pou vin sosyalis ek en lekonomi ki bezwen santralize e komande par leta. E ki i ti bezwen fer alor, i ti bezwen detri lekonomi prive.  Kimanyer i ti fer sa?

Mr Speaker SMB avek son body politic ti bezwen servi bann metod paregzanp Licensing Act ki donn licence zis pou 1an, security vetting pou met kontrol lo lekel ki kapab ganny travay Sesel e si ou bezwen ganny travay ennler ou bezwen al dan SMB.  Lapopilasyon Lenn avek biznes pou fer sir ki SMB ler i pa ankor kree en lenfrastriktir i kapab sot lo la e take over par en naval services ek Marzocchi  ki’n ganny son larzan zis 5an pase apre en kantite letan.  Sa i en legzanp kot en lendistri ti ganny appropriated over 20 years ago e in ganny son konpansasyon apre 4an.  Mon anvi koz lo bann metod ki ti ganny servi.

Mr Speaker parey Onorab Ferrari in dir alor SMB e Minis ti dir SMB in antre dan preski tou lendistri isi Sesel, dan lagrikiltir i ti met sa metod kot tou fermye pa kapab vann zot  bann prodwir avek popilasyon, ou bezwen vann avek SMB e SMB i vin sa middleman e SMB ti pe ganny kree pou li take over e apropriye tou.

Lapes ki pa’n ganny mansyonnen, la ti vin en difikilte pou SMB, bann peser ziska ozordi zot ankor ekstrememan endepandan e SPPF ti pe kalkile kimanyer pou fer menm parey avek fermye avek peser.  Me i pa ti tro kapab.  Ki i ti fer alor?  I ti met monopoli lo ice distribution, lo petrol, lo licensc e atraver sa, sey kontrol e mon kontan pou dir ki ti annan en kantite rezistans e SPPF pa’n kapab concur bann peser isi Sesel e ziska ozordi, laplipar mazorite an mor i SNP, pour sa rezon.

Mr Speaker zot ti…..

 

 

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab, Onorab nou pou fini sa Bill, you are filibustering

 

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

Pardon Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

You are filibustering, that’s allPlease relevant, go to the Bill.  Koz lo bill.

 

HON ANTONY DERJACQUES

On the bill. SMB ti ganny kree, alor ti pran par dan farming, food production, fruits and vegetables, Indian ocean nurseries, Coetivy kanmaron e i ti sey extend, parey en zourit, son bann lipye partou pou li kree ..

(Laughter)

.. e son latet toultan ti lekel Mr Speaker?  Son latet parey Onorab Ferrari in dir ti latet pli kalkile cunning, intelligent mon kapab dir li Msye Albert Rene e i ti konnen ki i pe fer e parey zourit nou konnen ler ou pe sey atrap sourit i annan sa lank ki sorti deryer e sa i fer sa kanmouflaz ki alor nou sey dir ki SMB ti la pou travayer sanmenm Minis in taye pou dir nou ki ti annan ant 1900 travayer   pe travay pou SMB e SMB alor in anmenn en kantite pou popilasyon.

Mr Speaker SMB ti akonpanyen par bann lot lorgan pou sey kree sa soyete ki SPPF ti anvi.   NYS, young Pioneers e nou bann zenn ti ganny anvoye paregzanp Cuba, Isle of Youth kot i annan bann manm la, o plase ki’n pas atraver sa bann unit e ler zot in ariv lo nou later se zot ki ti the most fervent supporters of SMB e ziska ozordi zot in siport li selman ozordi zot ki bezwen vote pou tir li.

SNP zanmen in dakor avek SMB pou rezon swivan.

1)   In touy the free market economy Sesel e ozordi atraver sa reform SPPF in sanz son non parey SMB pe kraze, pe sey kree en nouvo STC privatize.

 

(Laughter)

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab mon annan dimoun lo lalis please.  Onorab Derjacques.

 

 

HON  DERJACQUES

Mr Speaker mon a sey al pli vit.  In kree en sitiasyon kot ti napa transparency dan trade e Minis limenm li in bezwen anmenn en kantite bann nouvo lalwa paregzanp Fair Trading Act, Procurement Act ki nou’n diskit e debat lo la e prezan pou la premyer fwa nou tou nou pe koz lo rule of law e kimanyer nou bezwen annan proteksyon.  Minis limenm li in dir ki the next year nou pou koz osi lo sanzman dan investment code pou donn nou plis proteksyon ek lasirans e pou nou envit sekter prive pou vin en vre partner dan nou lekonomi.  Pou sa rezon ki SMB pa ti ganny aksepte par nou parti politik.

Katriyenmman Mr Speaker se akoz monopoli.  SMB in kree e in maintain en monopoli akstraordiner.  Ekstraordiner ki aprezan nou bezwen kree bann lenstitisyon a gran depans pou nou kas sa bann striktir e pou nou retir sa mantalite dan nou bann businessmen e dan nou bann gouvernman ek bann civil servants e sa pe kout nou en kantite.  Nou bezwen taye finalman e al rod led, led avek IMF, led New York, led ADB, led avek SNP, led avek tou dimoun pou rektifye sa problenm istorik, politik, ekonomik ki SMB in anmennen.

Mr Speaker si SPUP pa ti’n kree SPPF e SPPF pa ti’n pran sa path progresis, sosyalis kekfwa nou ti’n bokou pli devan parey en pei, parey Moris e koman en pei parey Moris nou ti pou bokou devlope, nou bann lenfrastriktir ti pou la, nou pa ti pou bezwen parey Minis pe dir create a new class of entrepreneur, nou pa ti pou fer paregzanp ki Onorab Potter in dir, nou bezwen al edik nou pep lo taxation, responsabilite, debout lo ou prop lipye akoz sa politik SMB ki’n anmenn nou ki prezan nou bezwen al sensitize nou prop popilasyon pou dir ki gouvernman pa la pou take care of you from the cradle to the grave.  SMB in fer sa e nou bezwen rekonnet sa.  Si nou pa rekonnet sa, sa bann reform ki nou  pe sey fer zanmen nou pou kapab enplimant li parey i devret été.  Nou pa kapab parey Onorab Charles in dir ki li i ankor en marxist.  Dan sa House Mr Speaker in quote nou sa ki Engels in dir on the deathbed of  Marx e in dir li i ankor anvi enplimant sa.

 

MR SPEAKER

Onroab, Onorab ou pe retourn lo deba bidze.   Onorab Derjacques wrap up, 1 minit, wrap up.

 

HON  DERJACQUES

Finalman Mr Speaker ou’n dir mwan wrap up mon osi repete ki prezan nou bezwen devret annan full disclosure lo parey Onorab in dir lo tou bann assets ki ankor belong to SMB ek tou bann det ek tou bann kredi.  Mon enplor Minis ki the 2 liquidators i pa 2 dimoun ki konnekte pre avek SMB ouswa ki’n deza travay avek SMB e i rod 2 dimoun endepandan ki annan lentegrite ek respe tou body politic of Seychelles.  Nou pa kapab pe fer melimelo dan son final lanterman kot SMB i ale.  Si nou oule demen avek sa nouvo lide reform donn kredibilite nou reform sa entity ki’n kontrol nou lavi e ki’n kontrol plis finans ki tou, ki’n fer en turnover over R1.2 billion a year e ki’n pran pli gran det paregzanp Exim Bank 40 milyon Japan pou Coetivy Farm, en loan ki mon ti bezwen koman State Counsel al negosye avek bann banker Japan Exim Bank, nou bezwen fer li transparent, kler, fill with integrity e sa i depan lo sa two liquidators Minis.  Ou’n montre nou ki ou annan ase bon lentansyon e mon hope ki i ganny carried out espesyalman lately ou ti Chairman osi board SMB.

Alor Mr Speaker parey ou’n dir pou mwan clos,e mon close lo la avek sa request to the Minister e apre nou a gete, Moris pe osi vote pou fer SMB fermen.  Mersi Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Hon Pierres.  Non, non koze.. pou met zot an perspektiv mon sekretaryat pe ganny bokou problenm pou cope with all sa bann zour enn deryer lot e nou bezwen try and stick to en sort of a schedule.  Mon annan lentansyon fini the SMB Bill menm si nou bezwen al enpe plis letan.

(interruption)

Oke.  Yes ou kapab koze, i depan lo zot, i depan antyerman lo zot.  Onorab Pierre.

 

HON DAVID PIERRE

Mr Speaker rezon prensipal akoz mon pou koze ozordi set akoz pou mwan i fer mwan vreman en plezir pou realize ki ozordi finalman Sesel in antre dan en letap kot nou kapab vreman annan en marse lib e kot komodite, kot biznes, kot nou lekonomi pa ganny santralize e pa ganny gouvernen, pa ganny kontrole par gouvernman.  Mon’n ekout Minis atantivman e ler mon fer refleksyon profon lo sa ki SMB in anmennen pou Sesel dan lepase i fer mwan sagren.

Minis Mr Speaker, Minis i konn  tre byen ki ler SNP ti ouver son laport le 15 Oktob 1984 sa ti anmenn demise dan plizyer kategori oubyen dan plizyer sekter nou lekonomi.  Enn ti nou sekter lagrikiltir kot bann fermye ti ganny detri, kot mon konn tre byen parey  enn mon zanmi pros ti kontan akont mwan e ti dir avek mwan konmsa poudir si i annan en rezon fondamantal akoz li i pou toultan vot kont parti SPPF set akoz son paran ti en fermye e son papa ti en fermye e son manman pa ti travay.  Sa papa ti sa dimoun kot lakour lo ki zot tou zot ti depan pou zot manze, pou zot viv.  I ti dir mwan ki poudir ler SMB ti ouver son laport e ti fors tou fermye dan Sesel pou zot vann prodwir e apre vann zot viv avek SMB a en pri ki li SMB i determinen, sa ti fer ki son biznes, son travay ki son papa ti pe fer ti nepli rantab e sa ti fer li avek son fanmiy antye pas en lavi mizer.

Mr Speaker sa i en legzanp me nou konnen atraver letan, atraver leksperyans ki sa in arive avek plizyer fermye dan Sesel.  Gouvernman SPPF in toultan dir nou ki li en gouvernman ki met lepep o sant devlopman.  Me sa ki gouvernman ti fer malerezman atraver lentrodiksyon oubyen atraver kreasyon SMB sete malerezman en masin ki ti ganny mete pou fer larzan lo ledo lepep pou en kategori dimoun.  Dan sa konteks, mon pou demann Minis e mon pou dir li for parey Onorab Ferrari in demande e parey Onorab Derjacques in demande mwan mon enn sa bann dimoun lo sa kote latab, annefe nou tou nou anvi ganny en rapor lo premyerman e annefe nou pe demann sa Lasanble, pou ki nou demann Minis pou nou ganny en rapor lo liquidation ek disolisyon SMB.  Nou oule en rapor lo tou bann det, en rapor fran, onnet lo tou bann det ki SMB in fer lo ledo lepep Seselwa e ki ozordi nou tou nou bezwen peye.

Mon ti ava voudre e koriz mwan Minis oubyen Mr Speaker si nou pa kapab fer li me dan mon lespri pou mwan mon ti ava voudre osi vwar en rapor antan ki gouvernman, dapre Minis ti annan 50% par dan Drafix, mon anvi konnen ki ti rol e mon anvi en rapor lo travay ki Drafix in fer pandan legzistans SMB. Sa ki mon konnen Mr Speaker, enn bann keksoz ki Drafix in fer ki mal se dan son pozisyon koman sa middleman pou bann tranzaksyon ki SMB ti fer, Drafix ti inflate, ti fer pri bann komodite ki nou frer, ser Seselwa ki travay dir pou ganny zot pti larzan lafen dimwan, ki travay dir pou fer de bout zwenn Drafix ti fer zot lavi pli difisil. Drafix ti fer ki sa roupi ki sak Seselwa ti travay dir pou earn vizavi aste bann komodite sa roupi ti ganny en valer diminye. Ki manyer Drafix ti fer sa? Annefe i ti fer li dan de fason so Drafix in anmenn fardo lo ledo lepep Seselwa dan de fason.

Premyerman gouvernman oubyen SMB dan sa konteks ti bezwen pey Drafix pou son servis e dapre sa ki mwan mon konpran sa ti en commission of 15%. Dezyenmman so tou bann pri ti ganny inflated by 15% zis akoz nou ti pe ganny service Drafix. Dezyenmman e malerezman Mr Speaker Drafix pa ti rode Drafix avek son SMB malerezman zot pa ti rode bann pri pli konpetitiv pour lepep Seselwa. E si nou fer refleksyon e nou konpran sa byen ler ou ganny en commission lo en biznes oubyen annou dir lo en komodite ki pe fer vini, e ler sa commission i en rate ki ganny determinen par en poursantaz pli sa komodite ki ou pe fer vini i pli ser, pli sa ki ou ou gannyen lo la menm si ou poursantaz i fixed at 15% sa ki ou ou gannyen lo la i vin plis akoz pri debaz sa komodite i pli o.

So dan sa de fason Drafix in ede pou fer Seselwa soufer akoz, enn, si nou ti annan en marse lib ti pou annan konpetisyon e Drafix avek son SMB pa ti pou kapab enpoz sa lo ledo Seselwa. Lefe Mr Speaker ki zot ti annan monopoli, sa ti donn zot sa luxury pour zot fer sa avek Seselwa, e annou pa oubliye poudir nou nou ti dan en sistenm parti inik, e Seselwa pa ti kapab voice out son lopinyon, si ou ti kriye, si ou ti fer tapaz ou ti pou ganny tou sort kalite viktimizasyon. So sa i enn.

Dezyenm problenm SMB, Mr Speaker ankor mon kontan ozordi ki nou pe selebre lanterman SMB akoz bann kalite lezot soufrans ki SMB in anmennen lo ledo lepep Seselwa. I fermal Mr Speaker ler ou tann en paran dir ou poudir i konnen li, i konsyan poudir dan SMB i annan osi malerezman politik. Mon konn sa tre byen akoz mon ti reste Port Launay sa bann letan e SMB ti kontan fer son bann lafet lo lans Port Launay annefe bokou dimoun Port Glaud ki ti travay SMB ti dir poudir sa se lans SMB, lans Port Launay sete lans SMB. Me ki sa bann menm dimoun i osi dir ou? I dir avek ou koumsa poudir ou konnen mon bezwen mwan al omwen tir mon figir akoz si mon pa tir mon figir mon pou ganny viktimize, mon pa pou ganny bonus.

Mr Speaker ler en landrwa travay i enpoz sa kalite polisi lo son travayer, sa i mal. Si ozordi dan sa Sesel dan ki nou pe viv sa kalite prensip i ganny adopte dan enport ki landrwa travay, nou pou kriy for, nou pou dir non lepep Seselwa ozordi erezman zot lizye pe ouver e zot osi zot pe trouv sa bann kalite pratik koman bann pratik ki mal.

Mr Speaker trwazyenm keksoz about SMB ki fer mwan egalman kontan ki ozordi nou per selebre son lanterman se kantite gaspiyaz ki’n arive dan SMB avek bann seksyon ki se swa endistriyel oubyen ki se swa komersyal ki ti tonm anba SMB. E ziska ozordi lepep Seselwa i ankor pe pey sa konsekans.

SMB i antere, 12 pye fonder me son konsekans, son lenpakt, son lefe i ankor lo ledo lepep Seselwa. Se pour sa rezon ki dan sa rapor ki nou pe demande pour SMB mon ti ava voudre ki Minis in note ki nou pe egalman demande ki seksyon par seksyon, bann diferan sekter, bann diferan seksyon SMB i form parti sa rapor e nou ganny bann detay lo sa fonksyonnman, nou ganny bann detay lo wastage.

Enn bann sekter SMB ki enteresan e mon konnen Minis pou dakor ek mwan lo la se Coetivy Prawn Farm. Mr Speaker rapor si Minis i fer pou montre nou e mon konvenki poudir pli gran wastage in laba. Lately zis avan fermtir SMB, annou pa bliye Minis, Mr Speaker annou pa bliye mon dir mon pas atraver ou ki nou ti pran en loan 50 milyon dolar e sa osi sa 50 milyon dolar ki ozordi nou ankor pe peye, sa osi nou anvi en rapor detaye as to ki manyer sa larzan in ganny servi. E egalman Mr Speaker letan nou get bann lezot  tel ki Indian Ocean Nurseries nou vwar total wastage. Annou pa osi bliye ler mon’n komans mon lentervansyon mon’n komans avek lagrikiltir. Mr Speaker Sesel ti annan en lendistri  kannel ki ti vivan, ki ti pe fer profi e ki bokou fanmiy Sesel ti pe ganny zot lavi atraver sa lendistri, me avek aparisyon, avek kreasyon SMB malerezman SMB in osi touy sa lendistri.

So pou terminen mon pou remind Minis, mon pou demann li ankor en kou pou pa bliy nou, nou pou kontinyen demann sa bann rapor e mon anvi parey Minis ti komans son diskour bidze, mon anvi ki Minis e mon konnen i kapab fer li, Minis i vin onnet, Minis i vin fran e i fer tou le neseser pour nou once and for all konnen vreman kwa ki ti pase dan SMB dan bann lepok depi 1984. Annou pa oubliye Minis ki dan sa rapor nou anvi osi konnen bann dimoun ki ti ansarz SMB sa bann alegasyon ki zot ti pe fer vini, zot bann materyel, zot bann keksoz personnel lo ledo SMB. Tousala in donn lanmen, si oule kree oubyen fer sa kalite SMB ki’n kit avek nou ozordi  son lanterman me li in kit deryer sa kalite det ki lepep Seselwa pe kontinyen peye. Mersi Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab Ramkalawan. Non ou’n lev ou, Onorab Georges, Onorab De Commarmond, sa mon lalis ki devan mwan. I dan lord ki mon annan Onorab Ramkalawan, Onorab Georges, Onorab De Commarmond.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Mr Speaker depi ki Minis in anmenn son Bill e in koz lo la, konmsi mon vwar ki lot kote i enpe tre silans e mon espere ki apre sa zot ava koze. Me petet pou mwan sa silans i enpe tris akoz koman en Pret mon fer bokou lanterman e koman en politisyen mon osi asiste bokou lanterman. E dan tou le de sirkonstans ou trouv bann dimoun, letan enn zot zanmi, en bon zanmi in mor, en manm lafanmiy, ki poudir ou i annan en temwannyaz e ordinerman sa temwannyaz zot koz lo byen fe ki sa dimoun in fer. E pou mwan i tris parski ozordi letan nou pe selebre efektivman fineral SMB eksepte Onorab De Commarmond ki ziska aprezan in ganny kouraz pour li dir li i ava fer en pti temwannyaz e son lenz i byen apropriye, personn bann lezot zanmi pa oule fer en temwannyaz, dir nou ki manyer sa boug ti en bon boug, dir nou ki manyer tou keksoz ti mars byen  –  dir nou serten keksoz me plito zot reste trankil. Sa i tris.

Mr Speaker mwan pandan sa plis ki 15an ki nou’n asiz la dan sa Lasanble mon kapab dir in en landrwa enteresan. In enteresan parski bokou nou ki la, bann ki annan plis ki 15an depi ki nou la 18an ofet mon krwa, 17an, nou’n antann en kantite keksoz e pou mwan sa ki enteresan se ki dan sa lasal ki la, sa lasal i annan 17an listwar Sesel ki’n ganny ekrir la otour sa latab. E sa 17an listwar Sesel probableman letan nou pou regard listwar nou pei en bon istoryen se la ki i bezwen retournen pour li nobou donn zenerasyon Seselwa en vre apersi lo kwa ki’n vreman arive dan nou pei.

Se la dan sa lasal par egzanp kot nou’n sanz Lim Nasyonal nou pei, kot nou’n adopte nouvo paviyon nou pei, se la dan sa lasal kot nou’n trouv abolisyon sitan bann keksoz, sa ki an angle nou apel zot bann holy cows bann keksoz ki ti sakre, ki poudir pa ti pou touse se la dan sa Lasanble ki nou’n trouv transformasyon lekonomi Sesel sorti lo enn kot tou i ganny kontrole, santralize e 17an plitar Mr Speaker si letan mon ti rantre dan sa Lasanble ou ti dir avek mwan ki mon pou antann Minis, ki letan mon ti rantre dan sa Lasanble ti asiz  lo lot kote laba, mwan mon ti asiz lo senkyenm seat koman leader of government business – si ou ti demann mwan si en zour mon ti ava ekspekte antann Minis  vin koz lo ki manyer i enportan pour nou annan en lekonomi ki ouver, en lekonomi ki parey lemonn – Minis pou vin dir avek nou ki manyer –

 

(Interruption)

 

..li i pa ankor tro konpran menm li i ankor laba, i ankor dan dezyenm repiblik li.

 

MR SPEAKER

Proceed letan letan.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

…Ki manyer IMF i bon, menm la taler ki manyer i enportan pour nou anpese ki sa bann diferan keksoz i arive, mon ti pou dir zanmen mon ti pou krwar ki sa ti pou arive. Me parey nou pe dir se sa, sa lasal la i pou bezwen ganny kot board moniman, fodre pa ki i ganny kase sa, fodre i ganny garde koman en moniman dan listwar nou pei.

Mr Speaker ki mon’n vwar dan sa lasanble? Anmenn mosyon NYS, ferm NYS. Mon’n tann lot kote laba dir non NYS i bon, fodre pa fermen.

1985 EDA i anmennen nou dir pa bon, la ba i dir i bon, pli bon morso lezislasyon ki nou’n deza pase, apre sa EDA in ne la EDA in mor la.

SMB li i pa’n  ne la li  me selman in mor la, NYS tou i pa’n ne la me selman in mor la. nou’n trouv sa turn around konplet e SMB i enn sa bann lobstak ki’n arive dan nou pei e fodre ki nou rekonnet ki poudir SMB in met lobstak dan devlopman nou pe. Nou kapab dir tou sa bann keksoz ki Minis in dir e si zot fer  remark, zis par lefe ki letan ou regard charter SMB, si ou ti pou konpar charter SMB avek sa ki Minis in dir avek nou SMB i ladan, sa bann zafer ki in ladan, SMB in parey en avyon ki ti sipoze pe al Lerop me selman ki’n fini Sid Afrik, in al konpletman opposite son direksyon. I ti sipoze pou fer sir ki pri i stab Minis i dir avek nou in ariv dan kreol Lor. Ki kreol lor i annan dan fer pri stab? Pou fer pri lor stab dan nou pei? SMB in al dan tou kalite direksyon e Mr Speaker Onorab Larue pa ankor konpran ki poudir ozordi se pa batenm SMB ki nou pe selebre me se lanmor SMB ki nou pe selebre. I ankor pe debat, in mor zot i dan lakaz mor.

 

 

MR SPEAKER

Address the chair.

 

HON   RAMKALAWAN

Wi Mr Speaker, fodre ki sa manm i konpran ki poudir la nou’n rasanble kot lakaz mor e zafer in sal. Mr Speaker sey dir li – mon pou reponn mwan, ou konnen   atraver ou mon pou reponn mwan.

 

MR SPEAKER

Non address the Chair, proceed. Onorab Larue simmer down.

HON   RAMKALAWAN

Mr Speaker letan nou regard bann keksoz, Minis in mansyonn nou Drafix e pou premye fwa Minis in aktyelman servi sa non Drafix e in mansyonn non Mr Dixon, me selman i annan en keksoz ladan ki Minis in manke Mr Speaker. Dixon wi, i annan en Dix ladan son premye non i ‘D’ apre dan Drafix i fini avek ‘ix’ sa ki Minis pa’n dir nou se sa ‘raf’ ki savedir pou li vin Drafix e Minis mon ava dir ou si ou pa konnen, mon konnen ou konnen Mr Speaker ‘raf’ i vedir, France Albert Rene in reverse.

 

MR SPEAKER

Onorab.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Prezidan ki’n dir mwan sa.

 

MR SPEAKER

Non, ou pe al dan en direksyon fodre ou kapab substantiate, ou montre e anmenn levidans ki ‘raf’ se Mr France Albert Rene in reverse.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Mr Speaker mwan mon pe dir avek ou kekfwa ou ava dir mwan hearsay, mwan Msye Rene limenm ki’n dir mwan sa.

 

MR SPEAKER

Nou pa konnen please proceed.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

Ok, ou, ou pa konnen mwan mon konnen. E Drafix i en lorganizasyon ki limenm li i enn bann brans SMB kot plis larzan dan sa pei in ganny tire. Se atraver Drafix ki plis koripsyon in antre, se atraver Drafix ek SMB ki plis foreign exchange in sorti dan nou pei.

E Mr Speaker ozordi letan nou a pe koz lo SMB mwan mon krwar ki repealing the SMB Board Act is not enough, it is not enough. Mwan mon krwar sa ki nou pei i bezwen e ki sa Lasanble i devret aprouve, letan mon anmenn mosyon se pou mon demande ki en commission of enquiry i ganny fer lo SMB depi son nesans an 1984 ziska son lanmor le 16 Desanm 2009.

Mr Speaker pli boner i annan en manm in fer referans avek Mr Mukesh Valabhji ki ti Managing Director SMB. Nou tou nou konnen ki poudir se la ankor ennfwa kot dan listwar nou pei in annan serten dimoun ki’n annan bann rol enportan. Tou keksoz ki’n annan pou fer avek gro larzan se zot ki’n ansarz. E ozordi si nou pe koz lo PUC, PUC se en lepokase ki nou pe anmase ozordi. Desalinasyon; letan nou pe koz lo desalinasyon, letan nou koz lo bann zenerater elektriste, ki ozordi pa konnen ki pou fer avek akoz pa bon. Mr Valabhji ki ti Chairman PUC. Letan nou pe koz tou bann lotel, bann lotel ki serten in ganny preski kado, lekel ki ti CEO COSPRO ankor ennfwa Mr Speaker zis pou dir ki maler nou pei, malerezman enkli son SMB ki’n vin enn bann pli gro monst ki sa pei in konnen, nou bezwen met keksoz kler e nou dan sa Lasanble nou bezwen dir i bezwen annan en commission of enquiry kot Mr Mukesh Valabhji a en serten pwen i ganny kestyonnen lo ki’n arive avek larzan sa pep Seselwa. Parski in responsab.

Tou sa bann gro larzan Coetivy Prawn Farm ; Coetivy Prawan Farm sete en lendistri ki ti pe fer larzan. Mwan Mr Speaker sa dimoun ki ti pe ansarz Coetivy Prawn Farm ti enn mon parwasyen dan Legliz St Luc Bel Ombre, en Sri Lankan. E letan lafason osi ki zot in sorti Coetivy e lafason ki en lenfrastriktir in ganny detri, mon’n deza dir sa dan sa Lasanble, sa garson i koz avek mwan i plere, i dir avek mwan akoz sa kantite lenvestisman, sa modern ki i ti’n modern e akoz ki SMB prawn farm in bite? Se parski tou prawns ti ganny vann avek en lakonpannyen ki ti en middleman, se middleman ki’n fer larzan, e nou koman en pep nou’n anmas lakok, bann solda, in sorti dan sa bann lakok e nou nou’n anmas zis bann lakok par deryer. Se sa rezon, parski sa kalite investment e sa kalite prawns e la nou bezwen dir ki poudir king prawns ki Coetivy ti prodwir was one of the best if not the best in the world, sa nou tou nou konnen ki poudir it was the best e se pour sa rezon ki marse Zaponnen ki ti the principal market e letan ou annan ou touris Zaponnen avek en prodwir ki Zaponnen i taye i tonm lo la konnen ki poudir ou a pe deal avek the best. E Mr Speaker si Coetivy Prawn Farm, run by SMB ti pe ganny byen managed, larzan ti  e rantre dan kont Sesel ti napa fason ki nou pa ti pou kapab fer larzan.

Mr Speaker letan ou annan ou en monopoli ship chandling ti en monopoli ki SMB ti annan. Tou bato ki ti raport Sesel ti bezwen aste avek SMB, zot tou sa bato ki’n antre SMB la nou’n fek approve en Supplementary Appropriation pour donn li larzan pour li pey serten konpansasyon? Zot nou bezwen realize, nou bezwen aksepte ki poudir somewhere larzan lepep Seselwa in ganny mal itilize.

E letan Minis bomaten in dir avek nou, e mon kontan letan Minis in koz sa langaz, letan Minis in dir ki bann dimoun ki pe al travay dan biro taks si zot fer en frod, penalti i sever. Mr Speaker mwan mon osi dir penalti i devret sever pour sa bann dimoun ki’n run SMB e ki’n fer larzan lepep Seselwa disparet olye ede pou anbelir nou pei Sesel. E se pour sa rezon ki mon ankor ennfwa mon dir i bezwen annan en commission of enquiry lo SMB pour nou konnen egzakteman ki manyer larzan SMB in ale.

Dan en moman kot later son pri ti a pe monte, Managing Director i deside pour li koup en bout SMB? Onorab Gamatis pa la me Onorab Gamatis i konn byen ki manyer sa later rouz, sa kalite lateras ki ti ganny kase ki manyer caterpillar e la i ankor annan,  si nou mont Port Glaud la nou pou vwar ankor caterpillar dan pe kas later rouz ki’n pouri lanmenm la. E ki manyer larivyer bann dimoun Port Glaud, Onorab Pierre i konn byen parski in travay laba ek bann dimoun delo rouz ki’n koule. Alor nou bezwen annan enpe sa bann zafer e letan mon koz koumsa, mon koz ek tou mon pasyon parski ankor ennfwa se larzan lepep Seselwa ki’n ale Senyer.

Nou rapel ki manyer sa bann Sef ti fer vini maserati en loto pli ser dan lemonn e kekfwa bann zenn pa konnen kisisa masserati, zot a krwar mon pe koz italyen pou en lot kalite mark spaghetti, me masserati ti ariv Sesel e apre sa, apre presyon lo presyon masserati ti bezwen ganny deporte persona non grata in ganny deklare.

Mr Speaker nou pa bliye osi ki SMB ti annan en liv ki ti ganny ekrir par de boug Ostralyen,   and Gabee . Zot ti ekrir en liv, zot zot dir nou progranm i annan 252 paz, li sa liv ti pli gro li, mon annan en kopi anler kot mwan, nou tou konnen, serten i konnen. Sa liv ti dekrir ki manyer SMB ti en sikse total. Nou tou nou konnen ki poudir sa liv ti ganny commission par Mr Valabhji pou praise Mr Valabji. E tousala se bann keksoz, bann listwar ki nou pep pou konnen parski tousala se bann keksoz ki’n afekte nou pei.

Ozordi letan nou pe koz pri diri, annou pa bliye ki ankor enn fwa tou sa bann links mazin ou Sesel ti aste son diri atraver Langleter, pourtan marse diri i dan far east me sete en Mr Karunji li ki ti provide diri Sesel. E son diri ki i ti provide menm si nou a pe dir ki pep Seselwa ti pou ganny tou sa bann zafer parey Onorab avan ki’n koze in dir, ti stab me selman pri ti o me ki nou ti pe peye. Letan pri diri ti preski pou nanryen nou nou pri diri pa ti ni monte, ni desann parski i ti’n fini ganny fikse lo en pri ki pli o. E ankor ennfwa Mr Speaker ozordi pour mwan i tris parski se lepep Seselwa ki pe anmas the brunt of sa reform ekonomik me kan ofet se larzan lepep Seselwa ki’n rantre dan bokou bann kont, bann kont ki parfwa ti napa kontrol. Mwan mon konn sa parski ankor ennfwa bann kontak, ennler i ganny dir be sennla met dan tel kont Lanmerik, sa lot met dan tel kont Itali, sennla met dan tel kont, bann sonm ki antre met dan tel kont. Tou sa bann zafer i bezwen en zour vin lo latab pour nou kapab regard li tre byen, pour nou konnen ki kantite larzan sa bann middlemen in gannyen, e pour nou regarde si sa bann dimoun zot in al kont tou sa bann prensip pour zot silvouple remet larzan dan kont isi Sesel.

Parski Mr Speaker mon ava dir ou en keksoz ki’n arive, e Minis kekfwa i ava soz la. Parfwa sa bann menm dimoun ki’n retir larzan dan Sesel apre sa letan nou pas dan reform ekonomik se zot menm zot ki’n byen pase. Zot in tir larzan dan sistenm Sesel letan roupi i devalye zot fer rantre zot larzan lo dolar SR18. Zot envestir zot larzan dan treasury bills ki en serten moman in ariv SR30, 30%. Apre sa sa bann menm dimoun letan valer dolar in tonbe ziska SR10 zot in re aste sa bann dolar kot zot in fer en bon profi e zot in re eksport li ankor. Be zot nou bezwen, nou koman bann manm Lasanble konpran ki poudir sa pep pe ganny deplimen dan tou fason, e nou koman bann reprezantan lepep nou bezwen kapab sey rode kote tou sa bann larzan in ale.

E letan ou pe koz lo sa 2.5 bilyon, Mr Speaker nou pa pe dir sa zis akoz nou pa kontan entel, zis akoz nou pa kontan lot dimoun, be si tou sa bann keksoz in arive i kler ki poudir dan sa 2.5 bilyon i annan larzan ki’n ganny fer atraver SMB ki ozordi olye ki dan lekonomi Sesel zot laba deor.

Mr Speaker ozordi i tris parski finalman apre ki tou kalite dega in ganny fer ozordi nou pe al repeal sa Bill me selman parey mon pe dir, bal in pete me nou koman en Lasanble enn nou bann responsabilite se pour nou rod sa bal kot in ale. Nou kapab rode sa bal kot in ale, nou kapab rode sa bann keksoz ki nou pei in perdi e nou bezwen rode, nou annan nou en obligasyon moral pour nou rode sa bann keksoz e pour nou fer zot retourn dan nou pei pou byennet nou zanfan. Pour nou retir sa det 800 milyon dolar lo nou, parski sa det 800 milyon dolar i osi annan det SMB lo la, det Coetivy Prawn Farm, det laba anler bann zafer fler ensidswit. Parski in annan en kantite bann biznes ki nou pa’n tro konpran egzakteman e sa lalis ki Minis in donnen la i annan en kantite ki nou pa ni ti konnen kekfwa, la ozordi nou pe tann tousala e atraver tou sa bann zafer se nou larzan ki’n ale limenm.

Mr Speaker ozordi parey nou pe dir nou pe selebre fineray SMB. Me parey mon’n dir, fodre pa ki nou les li zis al koumsa, fodre pa ki nou fini zis avek – nou pou al etabli bann liquidators, nou pou al rod bann liquidators, e bann liquidators pou donn dimoun zot 90 zour pou regarde kwa ki SMB i ankor drwa zot ensidswit me nou bezwen al pli lwen ki sa.

E ozordi par egzanp letan ou regarde Minis in koz lo privatizasyon Animal Feed Factory me i annan en keksoz ki sa bann pov korperativ pa kapab fer, manze kanmaron, e manze kanmaron ti ganny eksporte. Sa sete enn bann sours ti ki ganny eksporte pou ganny foreign exchange. E mwan pour mon Mr Speaker mon reste etonne ki poudir SMB in involve dan plizyer antrepriz ki’n sipoze fer rantre foreign exchange me selman still pandan sa bann dernyen lannen nou’n ganny problenm foreign exchange, nou’n black market, nou’n dan isi, nou’n dan laba, tandi ki serten zot zot in byen pase. E regarde Mr Speaker ki manyer apre ki Mr Valabhji in sorti koman Chairman SMB, ki manyer atraver en lakonpannyen Dubai sete limenm li ki ti pe eksport keksoz anver STC e finalman parey Minis i konn byen in bezwen met en stop pou fer sir ki – e Mr Valabhji e Mr Puri zot in aret sa bann zafer parski zot in sorti isi, zot in al Dubai e zot ti pe still fer larzan lo sa pep Seselwa. Zot be ki kantite? – konmsi zot in fini tir dile ek park aprezan zot pe tir dile avek tol park, zot pe tir dile partou kote konmsi zot pe tir dile menm. Ki kantite milk sa pei zot in milk. Se sa kestyon ki nou bezwen demande.

E la ankor enn fwa nou bezwen dir be si tou sa bann resours ti’n reste dan nou pei, eski nou pei ti pou annan li en det 800 milyon dolar, eski nou pei ti pou bezwen parey nou ete ozordi kot nou a pe tay enpe partou, nou a pe vann isi, nou a pe vann laba. Non, Sesel si nou deside pour nou pran keksoz serye e mon konnen ki poudir atraver la kominote enternasyonal nou pou gannyen sipor si nou pran keksoz serye nou set up sa commission of enquiry mwan mon krwar ki nou ava kapab retourn en kantite sa bann larzan ki sipoze pour nou koman en pep e pour devlopman nou pei.

Mr Speaker letan mon ava terminen mon ava osi dir ki manyer i tris la kantite prodwi ki anba SMB in ganny antere lo rubbish dump. En kantite fwa bann prodwi in vini, prodwi in pouri lo por, apre sa nekzis al antere. Letan pep Seselwa pe soufer, pe antere e pou mwan tousala i vreman ras ker. Mon bannn fanmiy laba Praslin, bann fermye, letan mon’n vizit zot, ponm damour, kantite ponm damour pe espere pour pick up SMB pase. Praslin konbyen tonn ponm damour, zot konnen, bann Onorab sorti Praslin mwan mon konnen mwan, obor airport la, konbyen tonn ponm damour in ganny antere zis akoz fermye ti a pe prodwi me SMB ti dir non.

Konbyen lendistri ki’n ganny detrir, la ferm ki SMB ti ansarz, laferm par egzanp Parslin kot koson in mor ensidswit. En gaspiyaz koumsa menm. Lakantite gaspiyaz ki’n arive atraver sa SMB e apre sa SMB li in ser lepep Seselwa. E se pour sa rezon ki a en serten moman Seselwa pa ti apel li Seychelles Marketing Board me i ti apel li en lot zafer.

Mr Speaker mwann ozordi parey mon’n komanse mon’n dir ki dan sa Lasanble mon’n trouv en kantite keksoz. Kantite keksoz, tro bokou, en zour letan mon ava asize mon ava rakont mon pti zanfan, mon pti zanfan pa pou krwar sa ki zot granpapa in pas ladan. Me ozordi mon kontan pou mwan vin form parti sa lot aspe listwar kot mon la…

 

MR SPEAKER

2 minit Onorab, komans wrap up.

 

HON WAVEL RAMKALAWAN

..mon la pou trouv fineray SMB, sa SMB ki zanmen ti pou fermen e ki ansyen Prezidan Rene ti dir zour SMB i fermen mwan osi mon ava ale. Me parey Onorab De Commarmond pe dir in al en pti git avan me apre li la nou pe ferm sapit lo SMB.

Mr Speaker mon terminen par dir nou bezwen en commission of enquiry pou rode kote larzan lepep Seselwa in ale. Repoz an pe SMB. Non fodre pa ki i repoz an pe, fodre nou sakouy son nanm ziska ki i rann sa ki pou lepep Seselwa, ki i rann kont. Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

 

HON BERNARD GEORGES

Mr Speaker efektivman ler parmi tou sa bann lalwa lo finans ek taks eksetera ki’n vin dan sa Lasanble swivan sa bidze semenn pase, nou ti vwar sa enn lo SMB antre, bokou nou nou ti demann nou lekor ki son relevans. Minis dan fason ki i fer, akoz Minis i mazin profon e i get lwen, Minis in anmenn sa Bill ozordi pou en tre bon rezon. E parey Onorab Ramkalwan fek dir, i kler ki ler Minis in ekout repons lo bidze ki sorti lo sa kote latab kot nou’n demann rod lezot fason pour nou repey nou det, Minis in vin avek enn sa fason ki serten parmi nou nou ti’n mansyonnen e ki mwan mon ti’n premye pou fer li.

SMB se parey Onorab Ferrari ti dir dan son repons sa landrwa kot nou devret pe rode an premye pou konnen kote nou larzan in ale e ki manyer atraver li nou kapab retourn en bon poursantaz e repey nou bann det san ki nou bezwen al demann lasarite kot bann dimoun ki ti’n pret nou larzan.

Mr Speaker pour sa rezon mon oule felisit Minis  apremidi e mon oule remersye ou ki ou’n donn nou sitan letan pour nou kapab abort sa size. Listwar mon sir i ava mark sa kontribisyon ki zot 2 zot in fer dan repeyman nou bann det ki nou annan.

Mr Speaker i malere ki ler mwan mon pou mazin SMB, mon pa pou mazin li dan en bon fason, mon pa ni pou mazin li dan en move fason me mon pou mazin li dan en fason ki fer mwan plito souriy. Akoz mwan mon bann memwar mon bann reminisans SMB se bann keksoz ki’n montre mwan dan en fason pli zourmwen komik lo ki manyer SMB i montre the worst excesses of en sistenm ki’n al mal.

Mr Speaker mwan ler mon mazin SMB mon pou mazin sa zafer Moris akoz Onorab Ferrari in mansyonn en pti pe – mwan ki ti an kour sa zour Moris, mwan ki ti an kour, nou de Msye France Bonte ki ti’n asize dan grann kour dan supreme court Moris. Msye Bonte ti avoka SMB mwan mon ti avoka State Assurance Corporation. E sa ki ti’n arive se ki SMB ti’n eksport en container pwason, en refrigerated container pwason, State Assurance in asir sa container pwason ler in ariv lo por Moris, Mauritius Port Authority in oubliye plug in sa container dan sistenm elektrisite, tanperatir in tonbe, pwason in pouri, SMB in met Mauritius Ports Authority an kour.

Sa ki nou pou riye ozordi me ki annefe i ti tris ler case i konmanse Moris, permet mwan 2 minit pou dir zot, sa avoka i bezwen donn son power of attorney ki sorti kot sa konpanni e ler Ziz in demann avoka SMB ek State Assurance laba (Mr Subhash Lala  donn li son power of attorney, in donn enn ki ti’n ganny sinnyen par Prezidan La Repiblik, Ziz i dir non mon pa oule en attorney Prezidan La Repiblik, donn mwan en power of attorney ki’n ganny sinnyen par SMB. La i dir, ‘sanmenm sa…’ – donn mwan enn sinnyen par SMB, be limenm li sa, i dir gete mwan mon en ziz lakour, oule fer mon krwar ki Prezidan La Repiblik i kapab sinny pour en lakonpannyen prive. Nou de Mr Bonte en pti pe parey nou’n santi la apremidi nou’n bezwen koule Mr Speaker akoz nou’n ganny gro latet devan lakour Moris.

Se sa bann keksoz ki pa ti’n sipoze arive. Ler mwan mon pou mazin SMB mon pou mazin sa an partikilye. Mon pou mazin osi ki ler SMB in pas sa regilasyon ki dir ki tou fri ek legim ki ganny prodwir i bezwen ganny vann ek SMB premye keksoz nou tou nou rapel ki ti arive se ki kanmiyon larme ti ranpli avek santol anler Sans Soucis ti desann ti vin vann avek SMB, SMB in bezwen aste. Pa enn 2,3,4,5 sa bann gro kanmiyon Larisi ranpli ek santol in desann in bezwen vin vann, SMB in bezwen aste. Mr Speaker mon pou mazin sa.

Ler zot pou koz SMB mon pou mazin sa kwiz zis apre sa ler sa pti manrmay in ganny demande ki sisa sa bebet ki detri fri avek legim, son repons ti SMB, mon pou mazin sa.

Mr Speaker mon pou mazin SMB ki’n fer en manman fence avek sepa konbyen feray konstriksyon tou-l-tour Indian Ocean Nurseries Barbarons e ki’n arive ek sa fence? Koman in fini zis in komans pouri e ozordi ler nou pase nou vwar li an pyang, sa fence pa’n servi dan nanryen. Mon pou mazin kantmenm tousala ti pe arive, SMB ti annan li son prop avyon, annou pa bliye.

Mon pou mazin parol Prezidan Rene ki laferm Coetivy i ti pou vin anmenn plis foreign exchange ki lendistri touris isi Sesel. Tousala Mr Speaker se sa ki mwan mon apel bann worst excesses of a system gone wrong, e tousala ti ganny mete dan sa pti liv ki’n ganny ekrir par Mr (Gost e Mr Gabbee) ki mon ekspekte ozordi  zot ava ganny kouraz ekrir en post script dan sa liv pou montre ki manyer SMB in fini son lavi.

Mr Speaker SMB son lafen pa ozordi, son lafen SMB se limenm li son lakoz. Mwan mon ava dir ek sa Lasanble kan SMB in fini komans mor. SMB in komans mor ler in deside pa fer kanmaron, pa mentenir pri lo komodite esansyel, me ler in deside al fer snacks, ler in deside al fer toilet paper, ler in deside al dan lendistri savon e ler in deside al met delo dan boutey. Se la kot SMB in vir son ledo avek son bi prensipal e inisyal.

Mr Speaker SMB pa ti zanmen son manda pour li al fer toilet paper ler deza ti annan en konpanni SODEPAC ki li i ti pe fer. SMB zanmen son manda ti pou al an konpetisyon direk avek sekter prive. E SMB in kapab al dan konptisyon direk avek sekter prive akoz ler sekter prive pa ti kapab ganny larzan avek labank pou fer vin matyer premyer SMB li i ti gannyen e se koumsa. Olye pran sa larzan e fasilit, parey mon konnen ozordi zot ti pou fer, lendistri prive SMB li in prefere pran sa lokazyon pas devan e li antre dan sa bann lendistri.

Mr Speaker se sa moman kot SMB in fouy son prop lafos, e si ozordi nou nou pe anter li, son lanterman se depi lontan ki in prepare. E zot pa pou bliye ki ler in komans al dan sa bann lendistri, SMB in perdi tou kredibilite ki i ti annan. Lo sa kote latab zanmen i ti annan bokou…

(technical problem)

…admet ki SMB in perdi son kredibilite avek zot ler in fer vin labyer ki in sey fer pas koman toilet paper e ler sa pa’n marse in sey fer pas koman tiyo plastic pou Coetivy.  La la Mr Speaker, la la sa ki sa latonm pou annan lo la.  SMB 1984 a 2008 en lakonpanyen ki transform labyer pou vin tiyo e apre pou vin toilet paper.  Vwala sa ki SMB pou mete lo son latonm, lo son marb latonm.

Mr Speaker mon pou zwenn Onorab Lider Lopozisyon pou mwan dir ki fason onorab pou nou pei konfront SMB e met SMB deryer nou once and for all se pa pou likid li parey sa lalwa ki devan nou i demande, epi ferm li e met li laba me se swa dan sa prosesis likidasyon limenm, swa si sa prosesis likidasyon pa fer li atraver en lanket byen detaye e aprofondi pou SMB kapab, atraver sa bann mekanizm retourn sa ki koman en veykil dimoun in tire avek li retourn li pou byennet nou pei isi Sesel.

E mon dernyen pwen lo sa size Mr Speaker se pou dir avek Minis ki sa lalwa ki devan nou i annan en defayans ladan e  mwan mon pe demann avek Minis pou koriz sa defayans.  Dan son clause 3 sa lalwa ki devan nou 3(3)(c) i demande ki sa bann assets SMB i ganny premyerman peye an satisfaksyon sa ki SMB i drwa gouvernman e dezyenmman i ganny peye pou reminerasyon servis likidater.  Mwan mon pe demann avek Minis, sanz sa.  Minis ou annan ozordi en loportinite kardinal pou ou apwent atraver sa lalwa 2 likidater ki pa pou de dimoun ki pou pe zis vin pas en leponz lo tablo SMB.  Ou annan ozordi loportinite pou ou apwent 2 likidater ki pou vin zot menm zot kler tors e vin sa de dimoun ki pou vin sa comission of enquiry. E pou ou fer sa, mon demann ou avek tou respe, fer sa ki tou bann lalwa likidasyon i fer e met peyman sa likidater an premye akoz pour ou kapab ganny de dimoun valab ki pou fer sa travay dan en fason onnet, zis e transparan pou byennet nou pei fodre ki zot garanti ki zot peyman i vin premye e se sa en prensip kardinal nou pou vwar li demen dan Business Tax Act, en pwen kardinal likidasyon.  Pou ou ganny de dimoun ki pou pare pou fer zot travay byen, endepandaman e avek sa thoroughness ki sa Lasanble e sa pei, sa Lasanble i demande e sa pei i merite, met sa premye e apwent 2 dimoun ki pou fer sa travay byen.

Deyzenmman apply bann assets pa a satisfaction of the dues due to government me mwan mon ti ava demande in satisfaction of all the dues due to Seychelles akoz se pa mwens ki sa Mr Speaker ki sa lanterman ozordi i demande.  Mersi.

 

HON CHARLES DE COMMARMOND

Mr Speaker sir mersi bokou.  Lo sa Bill ki devan nou mon napa tro bokou pou dir me selman en kantite in ganny dir oparavan dan sa Lasanble.  Me nou tou, enkli mwan, mwan osi mon annan mon zistwar personnel lo kot i konsern SMB, petet i pa relevan la pour mwan fer resorti sa.  Nou tou nou annan nou sagren dan en serten fason, nou lemosyon dan en serten fason. Me selman mwan mon ti a kontan fer sorti ek Lasanble poudir, ou konnen sak pei i egziste dan en lepok e sak lepok i annan en listwar ki al  avek sa lepok.  Mon krwar mwan ki osi  letan nou koman Onorab nou vin koze dan sa Lasanble, i enportan ki nou dir keksoz ki korek. Mon pa’n dakor avek serten keksoz ki, Mr Speaker, Onorab Derjacques in avanse, mon krwar ki i pa’n korek.  Sirtou lo listwar SMB i pa korek ditou akoz mwan osi mon konn listwar SMB.

Me i enportan osi fer sorti ki kreasyon SMB, SMB ti ganny kree pou bann bon bon rezon, bann tre bon rezon, met li dan konteks politik si ou oule, met li dan konteks istorik, nenport  konteks, lespri, lide deryer pa ti neseserman en move lide.  Mon krwar mwan lo la mwan mon pou lev sapo avek SMB.  Malgre i kler ki nou’n tann plizyer alegasyon ki’n ganny fer la e nou tande tou letan lo semen parmi plizyer piblik, plizyer lotorite osi plizyer alegasyon ki annan bann keksoz ki’n arive.  Yer dimoun i zis fer mwan mazinen, Charles i dir, be ou’n manz ponm dan ou lavi, mon dir be wi, be bann ponm ki ou’n manze isi, i dir mwan sak ponm R1, serten dimoun i gannyen lo la, commission, lo sak ponm, zis ponm, aprezan i dir depi 1984 ziska ozordi dernyen kou la letan in fermen, ki kantite ponm ki’n vini? En ta milyon ponm, bilyon manke pa konnen me tou sa i bann keksoz,  nou tande me mon napa laprev mwan personnel. Me selman i bann keksoz ki mon krwar mwan letan ozordi nou pe fer whatever it’s called, letan nou pe close SMB la legalman mon krwar ki si i annan bann keksoz mon krwar  nou bezwen met devan.  Mon krwar mwan nou Lasanble i pa kapab zis les pase akoz i annan tro bokou hearsay, tro bokou bann alegasyon. Alors si i annan keksoz pou rann Cesar, annou rann Cesar son zafer.

Dan sa sans Mr Speaker i osi kler ki zot dir mwan osi, en lot alegasyon mon pa konnen how true, zot dir mwan plen dimoun osi dan SNP in benefisye atraver SMB.  Sa osi zot dir mwan.  Tousala kekfwa i a sorti dan enquiry, si i annan, mon pa konnen, tousala i egziste, en bann keksoz.

Mr Speaker dan sa prosesis likidasyon, mwan mon krwar mwan nou annan plizyer issue ki’n ganny sorti, 2.5 bilyon ankor in ganny leve, lot fwa mon’n fek fer komanter, ou konnen dernyen fwa ankor nou pou dan sa Lasanble e sa i pou en tre tre bon keksoz mon krwar pou nou nouvo Lasanble.  Ou konnen nou nouvo Lasanble Mr Speaker i ava annan petet bann nouvo lespri, nouvo vizyon, nouvo lafors, nou bann manm Lasanble alors mwan mon demande ki dan sa bann zafer, akoz letan ou’n ferm li SMB la pou annan sa bann liquidation ensidswit, deza kot Coetivy prawns laba, mon krwar ki i annan liquidation ki’n ganny fer ensidswit me tou sa, mon krwar mwan nou annan, mon repete, mon’n dir dan lasemenn la, sa semenn –   Mr Speaker dan nou Lasanble i annan en komite eksepsyonnelman enportan, komite Finans la e sa komite i napa zis manm parti lepep lo la, i annan manm tou le de kote.  Mwan mon ensiste, konmsi nou pa kapab fer keksoz zis koumsa, let i bezwen ganny poste dan lapos, pa kapab lo lans.  Mwan mon dir alors, whatever ki i annan nou tou nou ti ava kontan pou konnen e ziskan i fer whatever ki i annan selman i bezwen ganny fer propreman.

Mwan osi la mon kestyonn menm IMF.  In vini in dir 10 konpanyen sepa kwa, mon pa konnen SMB si in tonm ladan mwan. Be ou vwar, alor mwan mon krwar ki nou komite finans dan Lasanble i kapab atraver sirtou bann manm lopozisyon ki lo sa komite anmenn sa bann keksoz e likidasyon letan i ganny fer rapor sa bann likidasyon i devret ariv – sa mon krwar nou Lasanble through you Mr Speaker Sir i devret ensiste ki sa bann rapor i vin kot komite finans, nou tou nou bezwen konnen kwa ki pase e ler la i ava ganny investigate si i neseser, ava gete, si nou vwar i annan plis ki sa, i ava ganny fer.  Mwan mon napa problenm avek sa ditou me selman la nou’n ariv parey mon’n dir en staz, en peryod la, nou listwar ki fini e zisteman nou la ozordi pour nou ferm sa sapit legalman e annou fini sa byen e mon krwar mwan inanimman Mr Speaker nou devret pe vot anfaver sa proze de lwa ki devan nou.  Mersi bokou Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Nou a pran dernyen entervenan, ou dir mwan ou pou 3 minit Onorab Dyer.

 

HON COLIN DYER

Kekfwa en pti pe plis ki 3 minit me selman pa plis ki 5 minit.

 

MR SPEAKER

5.  oke ou.  I oke.

 

HON COLIN DYER

Mr Speaker mwan osi mon anvi aport mon kontribisyon viz a vi sa Bill ki devan nou.  Ou konnen Mr Speaker koman 30an pase, en pti pe plis, koman en zenn militan, komans underground kont bann sistenm politik e ekonomik ki ti pe enpoz lo ledo Seselwa sa letan, mon fer sa byen resorti, ti ganny enpoze lo nou, i pa semen ki nou ti swazir i ti ganny enpoze lo nou e malerezman i annan bokou dimoun par lafreyer ti swiv sa semen ki ti ganny enpoze.

Ozordi tou sa bann lannen apre, pandan sa bann lannen mon ti ankor en zenn garson zanmen mon ti mazinen si en zour mon pou asiz dan sa Lasanble, vwar sa menm parti politik pe detrir tou sa sistenm sipresiv ki zot ti anmennen, ranplas li avek tou sa ki zot ti detrir, ki zot ti’n vin zwenn, zanmen mon ti krwar si mon pou asiste en zour lanterman SMB ofisyelman dan sa Lasanble.  Mr Speaker si i annan en keksoz ki mon kapab dir fyerman mon lavi, mon parkour politik in vreman en sikse.  Sa mon vreman fyer.

Mr Speaker bokou in ganny dir lo kote SNP mon pa anvi, lefe ki ler pe ale mon pa anvi antre dan repetisyon.  Mon rapel kot bann fermye ti ganny dir zot napa drwa vann legim avek lotel, zot napa drwa al bazar, zot bezwen vann avek SMB.  Kanmiyon tomat i anmennen i vin delivre devan laport SMB, i pouri, i anmase i al met lo dump site e rezilta prodiksyon tomat Sesel – fini, collapse, nou vwar SMB aprezan dan en pei kot ti annan imans prodikisyon tomat, nou vwar nou pe depans foreign exchange, pe anmenn tomat Sesel e fer gro   profit lo ledo Seselwa.

Mr Speaker mon rapel avek lentrodiksyon SMB premye soufrans ki zot ti enpoz lo ledo Seselwa se par en kilo ponm de ter e en kilo zonyon ki ti vann R1.90 a R1.95 sa letan e zot ti fer mont deswit par R4.50 e sa in al en bann lannen.  Konbyen letan Seselwa in soufer anba sa sistenm ki SMB in enpoz lo ledo Seselwa.

Mr Speaker avek prodiksyon lavyann, Onorab Ferrari in koz enpe lo la, nou’n vwar menm zafer, personn ti napa drwa vann lavyann avek lotel, bann dimoun ki ti fer komers avek lotel  ti bezwen aret zot biznes.  Tou bann marsan ki ti fer enportasyon, ki ti annan dealership, ki zot ti ganny benefis par enportasyon bann prodwir avek manifaktir e ki son pri otomatikman ti bese ler i ariv Sesel nou ti vwar tousala fini e SMB lo profi pou donn profi serten dimoun lo ledo malere zot ti entrodwir bann middlemen partou e nou’n fek tann Minis pe dir nou taler, entrodwir bann middlemean partou ki’n pran lasyer malere, in anvale e sanmenm sa ki nou vwar ozordi i deor laba e Seselwa pe pas martir.

Mr Speaker Onorab Lider Lopozisyon, Onorab Ramkalawan in demann en commission of enquiry, in demann Minis e mwan mon anvi ozordi garanti Seselwa malgre ki mon sagren SMB pe al liquidate la, nou pou napa 100%  tou bann dokiman pour nou fouy ladan ofisyelman me nou promet avek Seselwa poudir dan ankor dan 2an nou pou ouver en commission of enquiry lo tou tranzaksyon ki SMB in fer dan Sesel e nou pou rod tou Seselwa kot in ale e sa ki responsab nou pou fer tou larzan retournen.

Mr Speaker pou mwan terminen mon napa bokou letan, ler sa Bill i pase, tou bann manm sa kote latab i vote pou anter SMB, nou lo sa kote latab nou pou bat lanmen.  Mersi Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Reply Minister.

 

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

Yes Mr Speaker mon ti a kontan ki nou vwar devlopman dan sosyete pa dan en lalinny, nou bezwen vwar devlopman en sosyete dan en fason spiral – devlopman en sosyete, i enportan ki lafason ki nou vwar devlopman e ozordi ler mon tann Onorab Dyer dir ki pou annan en kote ki pou bat lanmenn mon welcome sa mwan, mon welcome e si mon vwar en kote, mazorite ki pou vote mon welcome sa e mon demann zot  bat lanmen.  Se akoz ler ou analiz devlopman e dan konteks sa ki nou pe diskite la ozordi se ki ou pe aklanm en letap, en reisit parey Onorab Lopozisyon, en reisit me mon ti a kontan osi al pli profon, listwar en pei, nou listwar pa kapab kasyet nou listwar, fodre pa kasyet nou listwar e parey Lider Lopozisyon i dir, ler i vin gran papa i pou assize i pou akont son zanfan, akont zistwar nou zanfan avek pasyon, akont li, akont li laverite, dir li kimanyer ti ete e fodre pa konmsi nou kasyet.  Napa nanryen pou nou kanmi ler nou pou koz lo SMB, pa kanmi sa marmay, pa kanmi Onorab, annan en lafyerte, konnen ou’n fer e sirtou zot ki’n la dan sa lasal – Mr Speaker ou’n la dan sa lasal  e sa lasal si ti kapab koze, i ti pou koze e ozordi i  pou dir regarde you are doing the right thing, vot pou sa proze de lwa ki devan nou, ferm en sapit e ouver en nouvo sapit.  E fer listwar, pa kanmi listwar e ler nou fer listwar, nou ferm en letap, nou rekonnet en lot letap me les sa nouvo sapit avek nou matirite, enn bann keksoz ki mon kontan ozordi Mr Speaker mon vwar sa pluralisme matirite.  En kote in eksprimen, lot kote i ekoute i montre sa nivo kot nou’n arive, pluralisme, latolerans, lademokrasi lo en size parey SMB. Pluralismo.

 

MR SPEAKER

Spanish i  ban dan sa Lasanble.  Nou koz angle, franse, kreol setou.

 

MINISTER DANNY FAURE

So Mr Speaker nou pe fer sa ki devret ganny fer e les sa prosen letap vin enn ki vreman annan bokou dibyen pou nou pei.  E les mwan dir zot Mr Speaker ozordi ki vreman nou en pei beni, e i annan en kantite keksoz dan sa pei, en kantite lafors dan sa pei ki neseser pou nou rekonnet ki nou annan bokou keksoz ki ini nou e tre pe ki diviz nou e annou servi sa linite pou nou vreman fer en lot perse dan sa lot letap e lannen prosen nou ava zwenn dan sa lot batiman nou a kapab koz lo sa lot letap.  Mersi Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

Donk alors in ariv ler pou vote.  Nou pou servi en nouvo soz, tou bann ki anfaver bat lanmen.  Inanim. Clerk a note ki i inanim.

 

HON  RAMKALAWAN

Mr Speaker la mon krwar mon a fer referans avek seksyon 27 ki taler nou ti’n lager lo la kot ou’n kas lalwa.

(Laughter)

 

MR SPEAKER

Mon a ganny en formal second reading.

ACTING CLERK

A Bill of an Act to repeal the Seychelles Marketing Board Act.

 

MR SPEAKER

Nou a ganny en mosyon pou sot committee stage.

 

HON POTTER

Mr Speaker anba 91 mon move ki nou sispann orders 65 to 70 anvi ki nou’n fini ek lanterman.

 

MR SPEAKER

Segonde?

 

HON POOL

Segonde.

 

MR SPEAKER

Oke bann ki anfaver lev lanmen?    Motion for third reading.

 

HON   POTTER

Ki the Seychelles Marketing Board Repeal Bill 2009 i ganny lir en trwazyenm fwa.

 

HON ANDRE POOL

Segonde Mr Speaker.

 

MR SPEAKER

In ler pou vote, tou bann ki anfaver?  Okenn ki kont?  Personn pa kont.  Mon a ganny en third reading, short title.

 

ACTING CLERK

This act may be cited as the Seychelles Marketing Board (Repeal)  Act 2009.

 

MR SPEAKER

Mersi bokou pou zot pasyans, Bill in pase e nou pou zwenn demen 9er.

 

(Adjournment)